Anyone Glad that Holiday's new coaster is not the longest?

I know that when I am. Really I think the layout is great, but being the longest and breaking the Beast's record was a thing I would be dissappointed if they decided to do it. I am glad they did not, and feel that it was a classy move by Holiday world. I am sure it probably had more to do with that the ride has only 1 lift, and how slow would the remaining 1000 feet of track or so be, if they dragged it on.

Anyway, the Beast at least for now is still the longest wooden coaster in the world. Holiday's world is the third longest, which means in a realitvely small driving distance, 3 of the longest wooden coasters can be found. Also you probably have 4 of the best wooden coasters around with Legend, Raven, Beast, and now Voyage. The only problem with that is, it might be hard for any of the rides to be number 1 in coaster polls, just because they will take votes from each other.

Voyage seems to combine several of the top wooden coaster elements, and roll it into one ride. The large drops and out and back airtime of Shivering Timbers. The tunnels and terrain usage of the Beast. The twisting and turning through the woods like Beast, Raven, and Legend. Also with 3 trains and 1200 pph, the ride should really move people. Raven and Legend I believe now also have 2 trains, so the park has really increased the capacity.

Anyone know any details of the interactive dark ride? That ride should be a nice addition, and perfect ride for people of any age and families. Thanksgiving seemed like the most logical theme for a new section, although surprised they did not add a swinging ship ride and call it the Mayflower. *** Edited 7/14/2005 12:41:23 PM UTC by Beast Fan***

I am happy if just for one reason...to not have to hear you whine about them beating your precious Beast's record...

^LOL. Thank you redman. I would take any coaster at Holiday World over the Beast. I am actually thinking of skipping PKI on my big trip next year and doing 2 days at HW.

Hey Beast Fan

Were you disappointed when the Beast lost its tallest and fastest record to the American Eagle at SFGAm 2 years later?

I mean seriously, does it really matter?

Beast is a great wooden rollercoaster. Although every year, when the polls are done for best wooden rollercoaster, Beast seems to always be in the few last positions. Beast cannot compare to Raven, Legend, and possibly Voyage. According to the GP.

The Beast is one of the four best wooden coasters? That's not what it said on MY Golden Ticket ballot, LOL... ;)

Total trackage to me means very little - Raven and Cornball both "made the list"...but I couldn't be happier for HW. Building the new coaster with three trains DOES seem to suggest they feel the NEED for that kind of capacity...and no one deserves a FULL park more... :)

As petty as it sounds, and all of you can bite me if you disagree (;)), I am.

And I'm actually hoping that SFGAdv's isn't 'longest' either.

The Beast didn't make my ballot either (unlike Legend and Raven), but it will always be special to me since it was my first *BIG* coaster, and the first one that freaked me out back when I was 9 or 10.

I could really care less about the longest, tallest, etc. It means NOTHING to me. If it rocks my world then that's all that matters.

-Tina

Longest? Was this something that people were actually losing sleep over? I do not give a rat's ass what the footage of a coaster is. Hell, Greezed Lightnin' and Ultra Twister are shorter than pretty much every coaster out there, but I'd take these two over the majority of them.

Nope, No, Non, Nein, Nyet, 不.

Doesnt make a lick of difference to me. What I *am* suprised by, however, is that Holiday World *still* doesnt have their coveted 'family coaster' ;).

Beast is a great woodie. Did Raven or Legend ever have four hour waits? Did the crowds for either coaster begin chanting the name of the coaster? I remember "bring on the Beast" chants. Although, I don't care about the length record. Enthusiasts seem to forget how wildly popular it's been over the years. *** Edited 7/14/2005 2:03:59 PM UTC by Coasterbuzzer***

Maybe because PKI is a much larger park, attracts much larger crowds. Beast was also the tallest and fastest roller coaster when it opened. Beast hasn't had a four hour wait since the 1980s and 1990s.

Well I ment the Beast is up there on most list just like Legend, Raven, and soon to be Voyage. Besides the Golden ticket awards where in 2004, The Beast is 7, it is ranked view high in other list. In the coasterbuzz poll it is ranked number 1, in the Tim Obrien amusement guide book it also is ranked 1. It is consitantly ranked in the top 10 of wood coaster list, so most people do consider it one of the best wood coasters. Same goes for Legend and Raven. I understand you might like those rides better, but to say that the general public or all enthusiasts do, is not really correct.

I also am tired of people complaining of how much better Holiday World is at maintaining their wooden coasters. I feel that both parks do a great job. It is just that kings island rides are probably the hardest to maintain, considering the size of rides like beast and son of beast, and the technology used to design 3 of PKI's wood coasters, are 1970's engineering without the prominent use of computers.

And yes, I do feel that it would be not a classy move to take away the Beast's longest wooden coaster record. It is an icon in the amusement park industry, and just not the right thing to do. The record has held since 1979, and I was not born yet to care about it losing the tallest and fastest wood coaster list. I feel that fastest and highest records, are made to be broken, just becaus there are always going to be faster and taller rides in the future. However making a ride just to break a length record, is probably cost prohibitive, and not nearly as marketable as the tallest and fastest. So I see breaking that record, more as an unclassy move. I think Holiday World realized that, or they might have tried for it. Anyway it seems that Holiday World as a sure fire hit on their hands.

Benjamin:

Considering I was a former ride op on Beast for 3 seaons, 2001-2003, I have a good idea of the waits. The ride is still one of the more ridden and popular rides at the park. No the wait is not 4 hours, but I really doubt anything in the park ever gets longer than 2 hour waits, and if it does it is probably one of the lower capacity rides.

The Beast runs 3 trains, so it does move a decent amount of people. On Saturdays in the summer the ride typically had all the q-lines open, and about an hour or hour and half wait. If for some reason the ride had two trains, the line would get really long, but that was rare, because coasters at PKI run the maxiumum number of trains most of the time. The riders still come off chearing at night, so the general public still loves it. Also it is near or at the top of most enthusiast coaster list, so most enthusiast like it also.

Yes PKI is a much larger park than Holiday World, so it should have much more people. One of the reasons people keep coming back to PKI is the Beast. Most attendence in amusement/theme parks is repeat business, so brigging the people back and having a good quality experience is important. Having worked the Beast the few times it was down, you should see how disappointed people were. Some people travel all around the world, from alaska, england , and other far away places just to ride it. It is world famous and one of a kind. *** Edited 7/14/2005 2:25:13 PM UTC by Beast Fan***

How is it un-classy for a park to take a record? The Beast has had the record for 26 years. What's the big deal about length? I think records are made to be broken.

If we are gonna go there, why did SFGadv build a rocket that was only 36 feet higher then TTD. It's called breaking a record. Big whoopie, and it isn't even the tallest operating coaster. Cause Intamin can't make a good coaster, LOL. Take it for what it's worth.

Katie

Hey now girl, don't mess with my Intamins! ;-)

What's that damn saying I keep coming back to on threads like this?

Oh, size does NOT matter. ;-)

I think the whole fastest, tallest, longest thing is more to impress the GP than anything. They may not always be the best but darnit they get the crowds in!

-Tina

*** Edited 7/14/2005 2:37:48 PM UTC by coasterqueenTRN***

GF, you are the one that broke the Intamin's remember? Oy, you were in the Northeast 11 days and you broke Supe (SFDL), KK, Supe (SFA was down but got back up, lucky for him), and TTD still isn't running consistently. Ugh gf, no more intamins for you!

Katie

Even though I'm not a fan of the Beast anymore it is rated very high by the general public...I guess part of my dislike for the Beast is that I was privilege to ride it back in 1979 and the early part of the eighties when the changes were not that big of a deal...Now, it is just a shadow of what it used to be...For me personally it doesn't matter about records. I'm quite sure if Holiday World wanted the record they could have gotten it...Remember, when the Beast was first designed it wasn't a record breaker in any of the categories...For a few million more Holiday World could have had the record but they choose not to...It will be a superior coaster than the Beast which in my opinion is more precious than a record..

A much larger crowd does not always equal a longer line for a certain coaster. If no one really cares for it, why would they queue up for it?

I didn't realize the beast still had fanboys... sure... it used to be a really good ride, but now it just sucks.

I don't really care if Voyage is 1 inch longer than Beast, or 5000 ft shorter than Beast, however, I don't think there is anything classless about taking records.

Besides, if Beast held no records, maybe they would finally put it out of it's misery. :-)

^That's what I keep asking myself when I see the SOB queue, and then people wanting RERIDES! Are they on crack? LOL!

Better them than me. ;-)

As far as the Beast it will ALWAYS be popular with the GP and enthusiasts. In the last few years I haven't had to wait for more than 30 minutes, which is great.

It may not get the traffic it once did (seems like most of the crowd still hangs out at Action Zone) but IMHO it's still one of the main attractions in the park. Being that IJ:ST is nearby might just help the traffic flow. ;-) Nowadays I prefer many more woodies over the Beast but you STILL cannot beat that double helix.

Oh, I don't see the Beast ever being put out of it's misery. Sonny would go before that in a heartbeat. ;-)

-Tina

*** Edited 7/14/2005 3:01:32 PM UTC by coasterqueenTRN***