WOF - Lots of room for a new coaster
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07/16/02
Trip Report for Holiday World from 07/06/02 added plus the SFWOA pictures were added last month
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Why did they get rid of Omegatron for Thunderhawk when they have plenty of room to expand? I always found it odd they put a ferris wheel as small as the Skyliner in such a big park.
I think a suspended like PKI's Top Gun (but longer) would work great on that hill area around the Forum. Between the Forum and Taxi Tour, that space is way too open. It's a dead spot in need of some attractions, buildings and landscaping. Also, that big space between Timber Wolf, Grand Prix and I-435 could be home to something like Lightning Racer. Zinger's lot could house a B&M flyer or inverted.
I would put a gyro drop in the aquatic theater spot. I think the GP would dig it. Look at how long the lines for Drop Zone are at Kings Island. On Thursday, Sonny's wait was about 10-15 minutes and DZ's was 30 minutes.
Worlds of Fun has a lot of potential. It's a beautiful. They just need to fill in that land with coasters and a drop ride or two. I agree that they should combine WOF and OOF. They could also build a hotel or two at the back of the park and turn the place into a midwest destination resort like CP. I'm surprised their annual attendance figures aren't much higher than around a million. I think Adventureland pulls in over 600,000 per year and WOF has a much bigger pool of people to bring in.
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-Matt in Iowa
Just 15 miles from 2 CCI's.
Approx. 200 coasters ridden -- #1 Shivering Timbers
So when you say they're getting rid of the laser show, does that mean they're getting rid of the Forum entirely?
No, as of right now the park has no plans on removing the entire Heart of America Theatre (Forum). However, the Laser Light Show will not be continued past this season.
Why did they get rid of Omegatron for Thunderhawk when they have plenty of room to expand?
Who says that they "got rid of it?" The ride is still on property. It is right now behind the wave pool building at OOF. Octopus was there for a few years as well and it returned. As for why they put Thunderhawk there, it was a prime location, and they were even considering that area when they were to add it in 2001 along with Camp Snoopy.
I always found it odd they put a ferris wheel as small as the Skyliner in such a big park.
It was a used ride and at the time HME did not have the funds to purchase a larger model. That is not to say that it could happen in the future.
I think a suspended like PKI's Top Gun (but longer) would work great on that hill area around the Forum. Between the Forum and Taxi Tour, that space is way too open. It's a dead spot in need of some attractions, buildings and landscaping.
First off, I doubt we will ever see a "Top Gun" style coaster at WOF. Mainly because noone really makes them anymore, well besides Vekoma, but who wants a Vekoma. As for your comment about the "Forum Road," we at TPO have always wondered and even pondered, "WHY, is it left open when they are not having the show going on." Wouldn't it make more sense to shut it down and FORCE people through Europa (the land that people forgot) and past places that have stuff to BUY?!?!? Heaven forbid we try and make some money. Oh well it's their (WOF) thing.
Also, that big space between Timber Wolf, Grand Prix and I-435 could be home to something like Lightning Racer. Zinger's lot could house a B&M flyer or inverted.
Yes, I like the idea of Lightning Racers. Did you know one of the projects HME had on the board before the hostile takeover by CF:LP was indeed a racing woodie to be put in Europa? CF:LP thought it was TOO EXPENSIVE and dropped it as soon as they could. As for the inverted on the Zinger lot, that is already the home of "A colorblind man picked out the color scheme: the ride" (Boomerang), so that won't do. How about where the Heart of America Theatre is and then have a mine train (ala Adventure Express) back where the Plunge was. :)
I would put a gyro drop in the aquatic theater spot. I think the GP would dig it. Look at how long the lines for Drop Zone are at Kings Island. On Thursday, Sonny's wait was about 10-15 minutes and DZ's was 30 minutes.
Well they won't put another tower ride in because of what I have already stated before in other posts. As for your mentioning of times, I find it interesting that DZ's line was so long, and even more interesting that you waited that long for SOB. When I was there in July, SOB was a walkon and DZ was 10min max. Longest wait was TR:TR, which I absolutely loved, until it stole my brother's camera. ;)
Worlds of Fun has a lot of potential. It's beautiful. They just need to fill in that land with coasters and a drop ride or two. I agree that they should combine WOF and OOF. They could also build a hotel or two at the back of the park and turn the place into a midwest destination resort like CP.
Well we will both have to agree that WOF will never be a "destination park." However the park, like you said, is beautiful and is full of potential. It will never be a "Cedar Point," with a million bazillion roller coasters, but it will be a "well rounded" park. The problem right now is, the park is lacking a family coaster. I think this should be the main emphasis that they attend to. Did you know in 2000 they were to get BOTH a Mouse and Boomerang, then budgets got cut and they had to make a choice between the two and opted for Boomerang (mainly because of the Orient Express incident left them with only 2 major coasters).
I'm surprised their annual attendance figures aren't much higher than around a million. I think Adventureland pulls in over 600,000 per year and WOF has a much bigger pool of people to bring in.
Well the attendance has been on a slump for a few years, well actually ever since they didn't add anything remote to WOF the year after MAMBA debuted. When HME was in charge both parks got something new almost every year, and well the GP got used to it. So when CF:LP tried to do what they did at all the other "second tier" parks in the chain, it back fired and people went cross state to SFStL. See unlike other places, MO peeps travel to other parks. That's why coasters such as "Boomerang" are a bad idea to put in when cross state rivals have a supped up version in their park. I can't count on one hand how many times I was in line for Boomerang and heard "Mr. Freeze" mentioned in a sentence. The fact is, now that Celebration City and Wild Escape are opening, WOF is not the only park anymore. In our little region there will be 6 parks. That's 5 competitor parks!!! I hear rumors that VF is getting an inverted next year, good for them, but do they need it? Seriously, do they have ANY competitors but themselves as MOA? No! So wouldn't it make more since to put it where there is now a park war going on? I would think so, but I don't call the shots, I just point out the faults and shake my head. However I have yet to say, "I told you so." The attendance ratings tell all. I will leave you with one last thing. "If you build it, they will come." -Field of Dreams
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SWOOSH
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*** This post was edited by Swoosh on 8/3/2002. ***
Swoosh said:
Well it could be as late as September. A little known fact that Thunderhawk was supposed to have been added in 2001 along with Camp Snoopy, but at the last minute it was held back a year because the budget got cut. You see unlike rollercoasters which have to be finalized early in the year (if not the year before), flat rides can be bought late season and still be ready for the April opening.
WOF confirmed that this was the last season for Summer Spectacular on the TPO site's message board awhile back, and I agree, it would free up a lot of room.
Now just wishful thinking (and not a bit of truth), but wouldn't an inverted look good there where the Forum is now?!?!?
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SWOOSH
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No, it wasn't posted on The TPO online forum and if it was it would have been a very unreliable source because these are UnModerated/Annoymous forums. This would mean you got your confirmation by a Lemon Chill guy from SFStL pretending to be Phil Bender. Those TPO Forums are almost 95% Bull. And you are acting like you know what were geting next year when you don't know and tring to bug us to death about that you know what were geting for the next 3 years when It hasn't been confirmed yet. WOF is geting 1 new rival park and another one is in the works (The Papa's Park in which the name has not been confirmed).
Anyway we already got Wacky Worm for a family coaster. I don't want to see another one where you would have to take your kid along with to ride. We need more big rides. I know Wacky Worm is a family ride but the park say you must have a kid with you to ride. This is why we don't need another kiddy coaster. Also I know a frissbee won't fit in the Old Arena. If your thinking it can then you never ridden a frisbee before. Also its a dumb kiddy ride.
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Chris Knight
Whoa I'm the 88984594th Vistor to Coasterbuzz. I wonder what I have won.
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07/16/02
Trip Report for Holiday World from 07/06/02 added plus the SFWOA pictures were added last month
http://www.angelfire.com/extreme2/rollercoaster2/index.html
The Orient derailed a few seasons ago.
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-Matt in Iowa
Just 15 miles from 2 CCI's.
Approx. 200 coasters ridden -- #1 Shivering Timbers
Yeah, I doubt they would ever build a Top Gun-style suspended, but I've always thought that hillside would be a great location for one. That's great they have considered building another woodie. There's hope for them yet.
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-Matt in Iowa
Just 15 miles from 2 CCI's.
Approx. 200 coasters ridden -- #1 Shivering Timbers
Sawblade5....Since when was a Frisbee a kiddy ride?
Although I do not want to see WOF get a frisbee, it is not a kiddy ride. Plus I believe the others were referring to a "family coaster" as being similiar to a mouse or Zinger. You do not need to have a child with you to ride either of those. Although they might not be the most exciting coasters, they offer an experience WOF does not currently have. Some people are unable to handle a coaster such as Express and T-Wolf, but are comfortable on a Mouse or similar attraction. WOF must cater to these groups as well. To not do so would be committing business suicide. To be successful, you must offer an experience the whole family can enjoy. By bringing the whole family, you will make more on ticket revenue, in park spending on food, games, and souvenirs. If you were just a "Thrill" park catering to the "thrill" crowds, you would miss out on a huge demographic spread.
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Matt said:
Sawblade5....Since when was a Frisbee a kiddy ride?
Although I do not want to see WOF get a frisbee, it is not a kiddy ride. Plus I believe the others were referring to a "family coaster" as being similiar to a mouse or Zinger. You do not need to have a child with you to ride either of those. Although they might not be the most exciting coasters, they offer an experience WOF does not currently have. Some people are unable to handle a coaster such as Express and T-Wolf, but are comfortable on a Mouse or similar attraction. WOF must cater to these groups as well. To not do so would be committing business suicide. To be successful, you must offer an experience the whole family can enjoy. By bringing the whole family, you will make more on ticket revenue, in park spending on food, games, and souvenirs. If you were just a "Thrill" park catering to the "thrill" crowds, you would miss out on a huge demographic spread.
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Well I ridden one at SFFT. I know by the size of that thing that they would have to move land around the Arena to put that in. This would be a waste of money. I also know that Another Park known as Celebration City already has a Fire Ball which is the same thing but with Inverted and more comfortable seats. The Frissbee I ridden Had such uncomfortable seats (They must of been designed for kiddies) and the ride was a big bore. It seems like a Sea Dragon on a disc. But with really bad seats and OTS.
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Chris Knight
Whoa I'm the 88984594th Vistor to Coasterbuzz. I wonder what I have won.
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Well I did another round of scouting and after a train ride I have to wonder why the area where the train turns around hasn't been used for something. You could start a large coaster where the python pluge used to be and make use of that portion of the park. If it wasn't for the zulu I would almost never even walk over to that part of the park. My train ride also reveled how much space is being wasted by the boomerange. That piece of land could have also made use of the rear of the park. I think a walkway from the monsoon over to the zulu would allow you to place an inverted that could make use of the OOF lake. I also think a wicked twister type coaster could be placed in the reveen behind the bumber cars and the entrace could be in europa, it would be like getting shot out of the ground. I hope they do tear down the forum but manipulating the land will be difficult and placing a coaster there won't be as easy as everyone thinks. The area near 435 can be save for something big if they make use of all the wasted land within the park.
Does anyone know what's up with attendance this year? If I had to make a guess I would say the it's up. It's been a long time since I've had to wait in the kind of lines I've had to wait in this year.
Chris, go here (http://www.worldsoffun.org/community/wofforum1.asp?threadid=3163&forumid=1) That is the thread that has the talk about the Summer Spectacular in it's final year. Also check the IP address of the poster, it matches the PR dept's computer there at WOF. I would say that is no coincidence.
Next, you must have rode SFFT's frisbee on a bad day or something. It's not a terrifying ride by any means, but it is quite fun. Maybe you just aren't one of those people who enjoy flat rides that are high in quality. As for the seats being uncomfortable, no offense but you aren't a normal sized boy.
Wacky Worm is a kiddie coaster, and the reason being is the fact you need a kid to ride it. Family coasters like stated above don't require you to have a kid to ride it. They are just not as intense as say Mamba would be.
As for space, did I ever say that it would go right there? Have you ever thought that perhaps they will be moving a ride there to make room for the ride? I mean seriously, it's no secret that Bamboozler has been moved several times, why wouldn't it be moved again?
Also if you would have read some of the other posts in this thread, which you evidentally have not done, you would have noticed that I have stressed several, several, several times that it has not been confirmed yet and that indeed there is something else that may be in the works.
As for the 3 year plan, that was what was told to me in April. If that is still the case, I am not aware of. At that time that is what they were looking at. I'm sorry it's not my fault I have several friends that are higher ups at the park. No I won't tell you who they are to protect their jobs.
One last thing Chris, if you hate TPO so much, don't haunt it. Also if you disagree with this post so much, I don't think anyone is forcing you to read it.
Love as always
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SWOOSH
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*** This post was edited by Swoosh on 8/4/2002. ***
Chris,
the status of the KMG Afterburner (named Fireball by Branson USA) is unclear. The ride may show back up when Celebration City opens or it may have been sold. SDC Inc has not released anything which mentions the ride.
Not sure what your belly aching lately about TPO/UnWOF/MAAPA/certain-people is all about but it is getting old and tiresome. WOF needs to run the park the best way they see fit. Sorry if they do not run WOF in a manner that pleases Chris Knight.
Jim Wolgamuth
JWolg said:
Chris,
the status of the KMG Afterburner (named Fireball by Branson USA) is unclear. The ride may show back up when Celebration City opens or it may have been sold. SDC Inc has not released anything which mentions the ride.
Not sure what your belly aching lately about TPO/UnWOF/MAAPA/certain-people is all about but it is getting old and tiresome. WOF needs to run the park the best way they see fit. Sorry if they do not run WOF in a manner that pleases Chris Knight.
Jim Wolgamuth
My problem is about the missing the deadline to SFGA becasue I didn't get notfied until after that date. About people who are alreday acting like they know whats being built when it hasn't been annouced yet. I'm OK with how WOF is runned. I'm glad for to get Thunder Hawk. The Frisbee I rode at SFFT had such unconfortable seats even for a normal sized person.
Now stop tring to bug me to death about it.
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Chris Knight
Whoa I'm the 88984594th Vistor to Coasterbuzz. I wonder what I have won.
rcthemepark36 said:
Once again, the best place for the coaster would be behind Skyliner and Grand Prix. You would have ample room for something there, and let's face it, Beat Street USA is totally dead. My friend, who has been to WOF many times, didn't even know this part of the park existed. That pretty much tells it all right there.
I go atleast twice a month and I didn't know what beat street was until I started looking for it earlier this year.
I agree with your location on a coaster but I think they should save that area for something big and make use of the dead areas within the park. The python plunge area is where I would start and I would make use of the large area that the train turns around.
Well Chris the last event I went to with WOFFA/MAAPA you seemed more interested in the Beanie Babies and Digimon store at WOF than staying with the group, and when you were with us, you annoyed the heck out of us and made rude comments about how everyone is stupid and such. Could that be why we didn't tell you? You do bring a lot of this on yourself you know. Remember when you went off on Jeff Mast earlier this year for no reason? For a person who likes to point fingers and make statements about how everyone is so wrong for saying they know, you sure act like big britches a lot yourself and seem to love telling people they are wrong when you don't have an ounce of truth to back you up.
Ok I'm stepping off my soap box now. But I'm with Jim on this one, it's getting old.
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Swoosh said:
Well Chris the last event I went to with WOFFA/MAAPA you seemed more interested in the Beanie Babies and Digimon store at WOF than staying with the group, and when you were with us, you annoyed the heck out of us and made rude comments about how everyone is stupid and such. Could that be why we didn't tell you? You do bring a lot of this on yourself you know. Remember when you went off on Jeff Mast earlier this year for no reason? For a person who likes to point fingers and make statements about how everyone is so wrong for saying they know, you sure act like big britches a lot yourself and seem to love telling people they are wrong when you don't have an ounce of truth to back you up.
Ok I'm stepping off my soap box now. But I'm with Jim on this one, it's getting old.
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SWOOSH
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That's big lie on what you said above about opening day. And No I did not you guys were stupid. I was very interested in the group howver at the noon meeting up time I was not woring about Digimon or whatever, I was more concered with the Orient Express opening up and I wanted so bad to be on its first train of the season. I didn't know what The other guy in my group was doing after I left the group. Also bout Me and Jeff, it may have look like we gone off but we didn't then or at all, I didn't know his problem about me so I talked it over with Jennifer. The problem didn't concern the group at all. Me and Jennifer talked about why he seem upset with me. I met up with some of my group later that day to find out waht time we needed to meet for dinner. When we met for dinner We were having fun on guessing how long it would take an employee to find otu some park guest were in the van when they were not spoose to be. After we got done with that we went in to the restraunt to wait about 15-30 min for a table for our group to be ready we was only talking about what type of stuff they had on the wall there or so I belived. When we got seated there was no problems at the bale except for the Credit Card machine not working right and the guy I was with Tom breathing down my neck upset about what was going on there. I may have been upset at the time because it took about 45 minutes to get it figured out I was a lil tense then I didn't call anyone stupid if I did I'm sorry about it. Jeff Mast seem to help keep me calm I'm glad he was around to. I did talk to the supervisor in charge of taking care of my problem and managed to do some things and come back. I'm sorrry for being impatent there and I'm still am right now with what's going on at SFGAM.
Now back to the talk on rather were gonna get a new Huss Frisbee or not. I think were not gonna get one and its still to early to tell if were geting one or not. It still can be anything even a tiny family coaster which I doubt with the season runnign lat as it is for one of these rides. I am think flat ride or maybe a tower ride. If its a drop ride I'm sure the pmanagment at WOF can say how its differnt from Detonator. I also know where a ride would go depends on where's the footer gonna be at and how much space is it gonna take. I know for a fact that a frisbee wouldn't go in the arena spot becasue of space issues. However there's like 10 other spots it or whatever can go in at. For all that matters this could be the last year for Rockin Reller, The Big Game Hunt, The Fjörd Fjärlane, or perhabs even the Bamboozler. Maybe they wont take anything out at all for a new ride. I see spots beside The Timber Wolf, I see the old Plunge Area, And maybe even next to the Sea Dragon (I know it would not be a frisbee by SD the 2 rides are so like each other).
I do not know your contacts with the park or who you guys been talking too. All I know and what Jeff agreed with me is that things can change at the last minute. This was no way discussed at opening day. There was another thing discussed about a certain ride that is at the park I was told by Jeff Mast not to talk about here or anywhere on opening day still yet has nothing to do with 2003.
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Chris Knight
Whoa I'm the 88984594th Vistor to Coasterbuzz. I wonder what I have won.
*** This post was edited by Sawblade5 on 8/6/2002. ***
Swoosh said: Chris, go here (http://www.worldsoffun.org/community/wofforum1.asp?threadid=3163&forumid=1) That is the thread that has the talk about the Summer Spectacular in it's final year. Also check the IP address of the poster, it matches the PR dept's computer there at WOF. I would say that is no coincidence. Next, you must have rode SFFT's frisbee on a bad day or something. It's not a terrifying ride by any means, but it is quite fun. Maybe you just aren't one of those people who enjoy flat rides that are high in quality. As for the seats being uncomfortable, no offense but you aren't a normal sized boy. Wacky Worm is a kiddie coaster, and the reason being is the fact you need a kid to ride it. Family coasters like stated above don't require you to have a kid to ride it. They are just not as intense as say Mamba would be. As for space, did I ever say that it would go right there? Have you ever thought that perhaps they will be moving a ride there to make room for the ride? I mean seriously, it's no secret that Bamboozler has been moved several times, why wouldn't it be moved again? Also if you would have read some of the other posts in this thread, which you evidentally have not done, you would have noticed that I have stressed several, several, several times that it has not been confirmed yet and that indeed there is something else that may be in the works. As for the 3 year plan, that was what was told to me in April. If that is still the case, I am not aware of. At that time that is what they were looking at. I'm sorry it's not my fault I have several friends that are higher ups at the park. No I won't tell you who they are to protect their jobs. One last thing Chris, if you hate TPO so much, don't haunt it. Also if you disagree with this post so much, I don't think anyone is forcing you to read it.
Good enough for me on that conformation. Becasue the fourms are annoymous and I can't see the Addresses. I have no way of telling if its them or not posting that. I will contine to post on TPO.org and WOF.org becasue they're topics that aren't discussed here. I do not even know who I'm talking too here.As I tell you I'm 5 foot 11 and about 225 pounds. A frisbee seat to me seems like its designed for a person about 5 foot 2 inces.
As for Family ride I'm think Woodstock Express at CP. This is a Vekoma Rollerskater and it seems to be like the Wacky Worm. even though they're differnet. I also belive that must have a kid thing on that ride is a park thing.
As I agree with you there about the space.
As for the 3 year plan could it be possible that the 2nd and 3rd year of the plan would get switched around?
As for WOF.org and TPO.org I seem to like it just OK the problem is that I can't tell whos posting like you said about the wof post on the laser show.
Is there anything else do we wan't to get straightend out on?
PS Do you think anyrides will be removed this year?
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Chris Knight
Whoa I'm the 88984594th Vistor to Coasterbuzz. I wonder what I have won.
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