What's Next for Valleyfair!

Thursday, June 12, 2003 7:56 AM
Now that ValleyFair has come out with a new coaster after seven year wait, what is next for Valleyfair? They are obviously not going to build a new one next year after the big investment of TTD. It would be really nice if they could put in a Delerium or some fun flat ride like that. What do you think is next for Valleyfair?
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Thursday, June 12, 2003 8:44 AM
Well I suspect next year will be an "off year" as they will try to ride the coat tails of SV for one more season. I would assume that in 2005 they will add a high profile flat ride, maybe an Afterburner or a TopSpin. Next year (04), I would think that Camp Snoopy might get something new.

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Thursday, June 12, 2003 8:44 AM
Only a Wavepool Could Satisfy Me (tm). There's only one other in the state that I know of. It would attract everyone from 8 to 80 who isn't already a big fan of the park.

Look at the thousands of nearby Eaganites who spend almost as much as a VF season pass for a small city waterpark with a ZDE pool and the thousands of non-residents who would if only they were allowed.

Look at the all teens and tall kids VF lifeguards have to shoo from the kiddie play area. I don't blame those folks. They just wanna stay wet for a while.

Where would they build it? I have no idea! I just know it's the next big thing if they did.

-'Playa

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*** This post was edited by CoastaPlaya 6/12/2003 12:45:11 PM ***

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Thursday, June 12, 2003 11:11 AM
I doubt it but maybe a compact floorless coaster like Batman: The dark knight or a new type of flat ride. Maybe that swat ride. I think those are really cool.
*** This post was edited by Derrick Whitsett 6/12/2003 3:33:38 PM ***
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Thursday, June 12, 2003 11:29 AM
A floorless would cost more than any single ride built at the park to date. Ain't happenin...at least not next year.

SWAT does look cool tho. One of the nice things about SV's location is the increased foot traffic by the park's better flat rides. Perhaps it will justify investment in another good thriller.

But I tell ya--a wavepool would pack 'em in there. Even the non thrill-ride types would start thinking hard about passes...

-'Playa

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Thursday, June 12, 2003 6:59 PM
Honestly any addition to waterpark would be a welcome addition. AND, since WOF and DP both got additions to their's this year, I would think that it would be a logical conclusion to think that VF might get some needed attention in that area of the park.

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Thursday, June 12, 2003 7:25 PM
Take it or leave it, but this is the rumor I've heard:

Valleyfair! is a consistant earner for Cedar Fair, but since it is a seasonal park, they have alot of time where they have no cash coming in. Combined with the fact that they are running out of areas to add large attractions without a significant addition to the park, they are looking to do something new. The plan is to build a hotel with a large indoor water park attached, next to the existing worker dormitories. When this is completed, they will demolish the waterpark in the the main park and free up that land for another major attraction.

Again, take it or leave it, but that's what I've heard.

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Saturday, June 14, 2003 12:49 PM
Although, I do enjoy the Water Park, ValleyFair! really needs to do some work on getting more high capacity rides. Steel Venom, Corkscrew, Powertower, High Roller, and Mad Mouse are all really slow capacity rides. The only line in the park that is less then twenty minutes is really only Wild Thing and Excalibur. That is why I would like a high capacity B&M coaster or something like that to be put in. Never at ValleyFair have I had to wait more than 30 minutes for a ride, Steel Venom seriously has to have the least capacity of any ride.
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Saturday, June 14, 2003 6:08 PM
Low capacity? Says who? You've gotta be kidding!

PT, Corkscrew and Excalibur (2 trains) are 1200 pph rides--roughly close to WT with two trains. High Roller can handle 1150, Mad Mouse can blow through 1,000 pph and SV does 950. They are staffed by people who outrun and outgun most other parks, and when you compare the capacities at VF to let's say SFGAM which handles three times the audience each year, you have absolutely no basis for complaint.

These people handle their job so shockingly well you've never had to wait half an hour before. Think about that. Better yet, go visit SFGAM for an experience that will make you realize how good you have it.

Why were there long lines? Because there were people there. Lots and lots of them. That's supposed to happen. That's a good thing. Those lines of people mean SV is a success. They mean SV will get paid off quickly and VF can pitch the next big thing to CF brass and probably get what they want.

Thank your lucky stars for long lines and a park designed to handle them. Start complaining when you've been somewhere with a queue problem. I mean really...

-'Playa


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Saturday, June 14, 2003 6:49 PM
I just went to valley fair yeasterday, and I know this will never happen, but I think a B&M flyer would look awesome there! Seriously though, next year will probobly be an off year, and 2005 might be an addition of a new flat ride, or maybe even a wave pool (that would be great, because the water park really sucks). I think a new coaster might be coming in 2006, prehaps a smaller B&M like Tallon.
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Sunday, June 15, 2003 7:47 AM
I don't think you can label them as people. I was there on School Days (mistake #1), and there were a lot of rugrats. I guess one thing that I didn't realize was the fact that line cutting is a given in MN. You should have seen some of the looks I got when I would catch the kid by the shoulder who was cutting and forcefully throw them back behind me. I think I ended up doing that to 40-some kids. Must be that "teacher mentality" coming out in me. I guess when you are going to be teaching up elementary kids, you don't take much crap off anyone. :) As for capacity, the only ride that I saw that had a problem was Steel Venom, and that was because it's a shuttle.
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Sunday, June 15, 2003 11:08 AM
See Swoosh, if you did that is California, you'd get beat to a pulp. I've seen it happen with my own two eyes, all over line jumping. :(

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Sunday, June 15, 2003 2:16 PM
CoastaPlaya, just to tell you, I have been to SFGAM, and I did wait in long lines, but ValleyFair, being in Minnesota, I would not expect long lines. I know its a good thing but still. I didn't wait as long for Hulk than I did for Steel Venom and Hulk is in Islands of Adventure and I went during Spring Break. Therefore...do the math.
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Sunday, June 15, 2003 6:13 PM

GoliathKills said:
See Swoosh, if you did that is California, you'd get beat to a pulp. I've seen it happen with my own two eyes, all over line jumping. :(

You mean the people line cutting or the ones enforcing the no line cutting? When I was at SFMM there was no line cutting whatsoever. Of course there were armed guards in most of the lines, and it was Wednesday. :) Also the people that I were pulling back where they came from where no older than 15 at most - I'm pretty sure I could handle them no sweat.

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Sunday, June 15, 2003 7:18 PM
What math? SV has one train and Hulk has at least three? Dude, compare apples to figs for once.

The real spring break for USF/IOA is the last week of March. I was there that Sunday and things were fine. By Wednesday it was a zoo with 75-90 minute waits for Hulk, 100 minutes for spidey and 45-90 for DD--and that's a ride with six trains! You really have no legitmate reason for complaint while triple the SFGAM folk wait for much slower staff to operate V2. Go wait for that. You'll learn something.

VF people are spoiled and just plain silly for expecting walk-ons every day. There's no other way to say it.

-CO

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*** This post was edited by CoastaPlaya 6/15/2003 11:19:47 PM ***

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Monday, June 16, 2003 9:01 AM

CoastaPlaya said:
VF people are spoiled and just plain silly for expecting walk-ons every day. There's no other way to say it.


I would say that patrons to any of the CF:LP parks are spoiled. From the ones I have been to (KBF, KCS, WOF, OOF, CP, SC, MiA, VF) they have all had quick lines. Granted you might have the exception every so often, but the CF:LP way of moving lines is pretty much the norm at all of their parks. Spoiled is a good word for it - maybe SF Inc should take notes.

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Monday, June 16, 2003 4:06 PM
Coasta Playa, I suppose you are right, although Dueling Dragons has the slowest loading I have ever seen (unless you include the six flags parks I have been to.). There is a comparison though, Wild Thing was 10 million, Steel Venom was 8.5 million, why not spend 1.5 million to 4 more million and build a compact B&M coaster? And I do agree ValleyFair people are spoiled, but what do you expect us to think, thats what we're used to.
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Tuesday, June 17, 2003 5:33 AM
Actually, I wouldn't rule it out. I wouldn't look for one anytime soon, but I wouldn't rule it out. After all, we've had three good cap budgets between '96 and now.

In fact, that's even more compelling reason to build a wavepool...it would balance out the attraction mix for everyone who won't board the coasters. 'Chickens' buy season passes too.

-'Playa

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Tuesday, June 17, 2003 7:59 AM
FYI & OT: Robert Decker, the corporate VP of planning and design was seen with Phil Bender, GM of Worlds of Fun, pointing to an area in the park with what looked to be layouts (large white sheets of paper). I thought it was rather odd of Mr. Decker to be at Worlds of Fun, considering he is only ever involved in larger projects, and very rarely flat rides. By no means does this scream "Rollercoaster," but it does add some wood to the wildfire of rumors that WOF will be getting a large addition next year ('04).

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Tuesday, June 17, 2003 10:25 AM
decker was at VF too not to long ago... less than a week ago i belive... but we all know VF isnt getting anything huge...

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