Valleyfair scores Intamin Impulse for 2003

They should of did something different than SF's. They could of broke WT's record. I guess next year is MA and Dorney Park's turn for new coasters. MA I guess they should get their hyper. DP should get a ride like Excellerator because I wouldn't want to have a impulse especially if they are going to clone it. Something new like a Intamin rocket coaster should go there. They have high attendance so I guess they need something to keep the people. A rocket coaster that can compete with Nitro and the Chiller for speed. They already have the longest coaster on the east how about put in a rocket coaster that goes higher and faster than Nitro. When people hear "tallest and fastest" on the East coast that be good enough for them.

It's amazing how people complained that nothing was added this year and now that a coaster is being added, it isn't good enough. Get over it! I would love to have an impulse in Allentown, PA, but for now, the closest one to me is over 8 hours away at CP.

BTW, how much more can there be done with an impulse? It's just a big "U". Twist a spike here, add a brake to one there, knock one spike down to 45 degrees (had to throw that in ), and they are all basically the same. Like I read before, they are the current day boomerang, but they are more fun and less painful.

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*** This post was edited by geneticfreak on 9/3/2002. ***

Care to trade in Talon for an impulse? No?

Better yet, trade in Laser for a CP Corkscrew while you're at it. Then maybe you'll start to figure out what the complaints are all about.

It's also being built in the best area to put a much larger coaster. Other open areas are subject to flooding (and they have). Get to know the layout of the park and you'll start to get the point.

B&M inverts have been built for $10.5 million and this costs $8.5 million. It would have been $9 million like everyone else's, but it's being built where little to no clearing is necessary.

Get to know the whole situation and maybe you'll get it.

-'Playa

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When is the last time a B&M inverter was built for $10.5 million?

I get it, but I also get that the park gets what it can pay for. The public will eat this thing up, they'll see a nice rise in attendance, the unit holders will be happy.

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Actually Periwinkle is a shade of Blue. If you don’t believe me look it up in the dictionary (plus sceamscape has a link to the crayola site, which illistrates the tint of it) It looks like a hazy gray color with a very light tint of blue in it. Which this “grayish” color would match with the snake in the logo.

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*** This post was edited by Goku2216 on 9/4/2002. ***

I guess you can't please all of the people. Even if VF announced they were building a B&M some people would still complain...not enough inversions...track is too short...VF will put in too many brakes. This sure beats out the rides we got the last two years!

Hey Chris you mention at least 12 intamin projects for 03 alone,does that mean there may be an impulse in SFA's near future?

Back on topic,it's great to finally see VF get a new ride,lord know's they need one,I don't get the color scheme of periwinkle & yellow myself.What's up with intamin and their impulses anyway? why the heck are they always yellow?

When ever the next coaster is going to be. I'm sure it will be a B&M inverted coaster for there next big project. Before then I would expect them to add a giant huss top spin for there next thrill ride like they have at Worlds of Fun or Camp Snoopy.

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*** This post was edited by The Beast on 9/4/2002. ***

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When is the last time a B&M inverter was built for $10.5 million?

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Why oh why would anyone question me on a point of fact? Question my opinions, sure. But why on the facts? Am I not the 'Playa?

The coaster in question would be Carowind's Top Gun: The Jet Coaster built in '99. Click the park's press release and see for yourself.

Not only was it relatively low-cost, it was built in a topographically interesting area and even included a tunnel.

If CF took a low cost, existing invert design (eliminating the need for recalculating much) and plopped it in VF's parking lot (eliminating the need for extensive landclearing or Talon's special noise-reducing needs and local ordinances on construction noise) they could have shoehorned one in for not much more than WT, PT or SV.

Building SV in its current position doesn't just mean VF isn't getting a B&M invert this year....it means we will probably never, ever get one. The costs of construction, demolition and rebuilding of other facilities just went up.

-'Playa

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*** This post was edited by CoastaPlaya on 9/4/2002. ***

Why is everybody so confused by the color "periwinkle"? Was *I* the ONLY one who had the "48" box of crayola crayons? I'm pretty sure it was in the "64" as well, but that was only for the "bougie" kids :)

Anyway, VF is getting what they wanna get and the majority of ppl on this site will love CF's dirty drawers for putting it in and giving it such an "inventive" name and theme.

And geneticfreak, I think you need to re-check your geography. I dont think that, living in Allentown, there is anyway you can get to CP without passing Aurora (SFWoA).
jeremy
--who *would* trade BatJunk for an impulse...any takers?

Costs have gone up since '99. If you want a clear example look at the cost of SV vs. WT, smaller, less land work, no back twisting spike and it still was almost the same cost. If the public shows up next year in record numbers you bet CF will be smart enough to keep feeding the customers needs. Plus a B&M is part of the general "blue print" of a CF park. Start small, see how the people respond, then give them bigger and better. I think this ride will be a smash hit...it was already being "talked-up" on the news last night. Channel 9 had video of WT and gave basic stats on the ride.

jeremy, I wouldn't make that trade for any flying coaster...assuming of course I had an impulse to deal in the first place.....which I don't! (/enthusi-ass-m)

'Playa is right ON point re: product placement....not that I've been to VF, but shuttle-loopers, impulses, and the like can be "squeezed" into locations that are completely unsuitable for other rides....of course, after Cornball, there's NO telling where a coaster might "crop up" next....

bill, thinking he must've had the bargain box of "Krusty-brand Krayons".... *** This post was edited by rollergator on 9/4/2002. ***

Goku2216, look at the info box for Steel Venom on the website. The colors of the ride are right there in front of you. A yellow and periwinkle grid for you. I emailed the park consultant they told me that those are the colors on that grid.

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jeremy - I'll gladly trade you V2 for Batjunk, seeing that I thought X-Crap was pretty cool. Then there would be no "need" for the rumored flyer going in place of Shockwave, and we could get something "cooler," like 4-D or floorless.

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Costs have gone up since '99. If you want a clear example look at the cost of SV vs. WT, smaller, less land work, no back twisting spike and it still was almost the same cost.

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Okayyyyyy.....so when SFWOA's S:UE was built for about $9 million, did costs go down and back up? Please don't waste time with these imaginary factoids you know nothing about.

Will SV succeed? Of course it will. Look how well VF's marketing department sold a park with nothing new at all. Look at the IAAPA awards they won for their PT radio and TV spots. Heck, they could sell the GP a turd sandwich as long as it isn't too soggy.

If they could move the earth under their feet....then we wouldn't have the space problem.

-'Playa

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*** This post was edited by CoastaPlaya on 9/4/2002. ***

Periwinkle is the color of Talon's supports.

'Playa: I'm not questioning your opinion, just trying to get my point across. With inflation, the Carowinds ride would be about $11.6 million in 2003 dollars (using the year it opened as a reference point, not the year the deal was inked, assuming B&M would charge the same amount, and assuming average inflation of 3%). Now you're talking about a ride that costs more than $3 million more than the one they're actually building. That's a third more.

Not counting interest on the loans to buy the ride, staffing and maintaining the ride, Valleyfair has to attract more than 212,500 more people spending a combined average of $40 admission and in-park spending. Even if you split that to two years, that means you need numbers up 8% over this year (assuming they can even do 1.2 million guests).

I'm only trying to illustrate that they spend what they can make back, and they do it conservatively. I'll also say again that the public will love this ride and be excited to see it.

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But have ride prices really kept up with inflation or kept fairly static?

SFWOA's S:UE cost about as much (per their estimates) as SFGAM's V2 as CP's WT.

Usually the difference in ride cost is the work involved in its construction as opposed to the ride itself. Do you think Oblivion's outrageous cost was the steel or the tunnel? Ghostrider's costs the coaster itself or its position in earthquake country and over a city street?

Take the real-life factors into consideration and the cost would actually go down, not up. Frankly, SV's estimated cost is a half-million less than its identical brethen--so I'd say they already did.

And again--who said this would fail? It won't. In fact, you can bet your last dollar there will be plenty of people buying season passes next spring for $90 (a new high) and happy to do it.

Just let me say goodbye to even the slightest chance we'll ever see B&M steel short of SF throwing a bankruptcy firesale, okay?

-'Playa

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*** This post was edited by CoastaPlaya on 9/4/2002. ***

I suspect there are other factors at play with regards to the price CF is paying. Not only is the R&D for the ride recovered, but CF has also bought serious quantity and scope. Two Impulses, Millennium Force, Xcelerator and two others that haven't been announced, both huge in scope.

But again... a half-million isn't really what we're looking at, we're looking at $3 million more for a nice B&M.

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Well, while we're "throwing dollars around" and talking about CF/Intamin, why hasn't the PP "incident" soured their relationship a la CF/S&S over VertiGone....methinks there is more to this "relationship" than just the recent coaster acquiisitions we KNOW about, and that financially there is a strong bond betwee CF and Intamin.....