Valleyfair getting a new coaster or not???

Wednesday, August 23, 2006 12:02 AM
Okay, here is my take on the Morgans (the 3 CF ones at least). They are actually decent rides if you ride the right seats. I got really good ejector air on Mamba's 2nd, but I think that one does best in 1.2, then 1.1, and lastly 1.3. Wild Thing is more of 1.2 or 1.3 and lastly 1.1 for the 2nd hill and cresting into the 3rd. I have also gotten very light air on all the bunnys in those seats on both coasters, but not every time. That one time they ran WT with no trims at coaster craze was amazing. It was probably the best steel coaster ride of my career. But you can't really count that since they don't seem like they will ever do that again.

SF is different. The second hill is not good like the other two, but the bunny hills are so large that the trims can't kill all the air if you sit in 1.1. The air is not as long as WT's second or as strong as Mamba's, but of course it is more often.

Basically the Morgans are indeed the dark cloud of hyper coasters, and you have to look real hard to find it, but there is a silver lining. Personally I enjoy the hyper at my home park even though I know it could be a lot better.

Speaking of better, I can't wait to confirm the report of wood at VF.

Wednesday, August 23, 2006 12:34 AM
Acoustic Viscosity's avatar All three seem to be trimmed inconsistently. Moosh and Bass apparently got amazing airtime rides on Mamba earlier this year, but everytime I've ridden it since '98, the bunnies have been duds no matter which seat I was in. All three could certainly be great though.

Come on, wood for VF in '07!

AV Matt
Long live the Big Bad Wolf

Wednesday, August 23, 2006 2:38 AM
Phantom's Revenge is a brilliant ride. No need to worry about what seat ya pick there. Ejector air in EVERY seat. Not to mention how amazingly paced that ride is. It may be shorter than the morgan hypers, but its definitely a far superior ride over any of them, and most hypers for that matter. *** Edited 8/23/2006 6:39:30 AM UTC by FballReimer11***
Wednesday, August 23, 2006 10:57 AM
Yeah, Phantom's Revenge is brilliant. Short, but brilliant.

I've only experienced one genuine Morgan hyper but I like it. The first drop on Steel Force isn't really that great (by the time the maximum angle of descent is achieved, the track has already started pulling out of the drop) but the turnraround is great (sometimes the unrelenting speed makes my eyes tear up) and the last speed hills are pretty good. It's not nearly as good as Nitro or Phantom's Revenge but since Thunderhawk provides so little air in its current state, Steel Force is exactly what the park needs. I can't imagine Wild Thing, Steel Eel, SFM's Superman or Mamba being much different.

Wednesday, August 23, 2006 11:17 AM
Ok. If you wanna talk about hypers... start a new forum topic. Now... so the General Store back there is getting removed after maybe three years give or take running. But I'm not mad/sad about this because I'd rather have a coaster than a store anyday. So... based on things people have told me, we know that the station will be where the store is now, and it'll go up the lift hill either toward the service road or toward the employee parking lot.
Wednesday, August 23, 2006 11:39 AM
Are there any photos floating around? I keep hearing talk but I want to see some pics.

Anyone that defends WT needs to have their coaster card taken away. ;) I could seriously take a nap on that thing. I rode in the first 4 rows and several rows towards the back and they might was well put some smaller lap bars on it and give it to the kids.

Wednesday, August 23, 2006 12:20 PM

Wednesday, August 23, 2006 1:30 PM
ApolloAndy's avatar I actually got some really awesome rides on SF (with Peabody and Rob, I think) a couple years ago right before PPP. They were running two trains and the MCBR wasn't grabbing at all. The return bunnies were quite delicious.

Hobbes: "What's the point of attaching a number to everything you do?"
Calvin: "If your numbers go up, it means you're having more fun."

Wednesday, August 23, 2006 2:42 PM
Wow Jive...

And I had lunch with you that day :(

I never said it was the best coaster in the world, and it is killed by the trims on the return. Like every other coaster there. But it's here and I'll ride it all day long.

I didn't expect this to be such a touchy subject.


Nobody answered the KY Rumbler question yet.

Get back on topic you geeks!! *** Edited 8/23/2006 6:43:44 PM UTC by WildThingNative***

Thanks for another great season, VF!

Wednesday, August 23, 2006 3:59 PM
Acoustic Viscosity's avatar I don't understand the question about Rumbler. It's certainly a fun ride, but nowhere near my favorite GCI. It's definitely the star attraction at Beech Bend if that's what the question was pointing toward. I would imagine it's bumped up BB's attendance quite a bit. I could have sworn I read on here earlier this summer that the attendance increase was reported to be something unheard of.

AV Matt
Long live the Big Bad Wolf

Wednesday, August 23, 2006 5:57 PM
My response was a bit harsh. ;)

WT was a fun ride, it just wasn't an intense ride.

Wednesday, August 23, 2006 9:07 PM
Wednesday, August 23, 2006 9:42 PM
I guess I expected something comparible to Mamba. ;)
Wednesday, August 23, 2006 9:52 PM
rollergator's avatar WT *is* comparable to Mamba, and Steel Force, and Steel Eel...they're all terribly overbraked, with lousy trains.....what's NOT to compare? ;)
Wednesday, August 23, 2006 9:54 PM
Okay, I went to VF today after work and rode PT to see the wood. There is a large shipment way back there as reported and it is covered in white. It certainly looks like it could be wood but of course it is covered. Whatever it is, there is a lot of it and it ain't B&M supports.
Thursday, August 24, 2006 12:26 AM
Acoustic Viscosity's avatar Perhaps it IS wood, but not for a wood coaster....maybe another waterslide? Yeah, I hope not!

Swoosh. Watch your use of the "brown word" here. This place is full of kids. ;) *** Edited 8/24/2006 4:27:44 AM UTC by Acoustic Viscosity***

AV Matt
Long live the Big Bad Wolf

Thursday, August 24, 2006 10:31 AM
Well, I think the trains work very well (as far as the restraints go), it's just that they're too damn big. When I sit in Steel Force's train, I feel like I'm riding in an RV. There is definitely no "open" feeling to those things!
Thursday, August 24, 2006 11:35 AM
rollergator's avatar ^ Rob, I've been a propponent of the retractable seatbelts for awhile....for capacity reasons mostly.

The VAST expanse inside the Morgan trains kills ANY perception of speed. Then the brakes eliminate any ACTUAL speed, and the bunny-hops become mildly amusing at best. I still say Morgan took credit for someone else's work on Phantom, LOL... ;)

The greatest thing about CF getting a GCII with M-Flyers....might mean fewer TRIMS in the future on CF wood...since maintenance won't have to complain about the trackwork being destroyed... :)

Thursday, August 24, 2006 11:42 AM
The retractabe seatbelts are a great idea. Every coaster should have them. Actually, NO coasters should have seatbelts, but those that do should have retractable ones!

When I was on Phantom on Sunday, I was thinking that it doesn't feel like a Morgan, but then we hit that last speed hill. The speed hills on Steel Force have a way of lifting you out of the seat and dumping you forward and that is exactly what Phantom's last speed hill does. The only difference is that Phantom's train is going a lot faster at that point than the train on Steel Force.

Not only do GCII's hold up very well but the track is so twisted that there really isn't a place for a trim brake! Of course, that's assuming these rumors are true.

Thursday, August 24, 2006 6:47 PM
AV, I'm sorry.

It should have said "POOP" instead of that other word. ;)


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