I think Matt D had a good point. CP did its best to keep the ride open on time and reliably.
Also, have you noticed how the complaints have changed? People were saying that CP should have waited to open TTD because it wasn't ready, and now they're calling it "excessive downtime". It is excssive downtime, but we'll wait till the end of the year to see that to what extent.
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LeWiS
You don't get extra brownie points because you REALLY, REALLY, BADLY want the ride open, or because your situation is somewhat better than X. Please.
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*Something* wicked this way comes...to the west coast in 2004!
*** This post was edited by DWeaver 6/7/2003 9:13:52 PM ***
Of course people have mentioned X.. Coasters have problems.. Accept it...
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Tease Alert!
*Something* wicked this way comes...to the west coast in 2004!
But that's beside the point- like everyone else has mentioned- since when has the tallest, fastest ride opened without problems? MF went pretty smoothly but there was almost no new technology used. TTD's problems are all ones that neither I, nor CP or Intamin couldnt have forseen. The blocking is a joke, the theming elements obviously didn't turn out as they planned, and the blown pumps just happen, they do it all the time on Xcel and thats the only time it goes down. I can't account for a blown pump, what do you expect them to do about it? It happens, theres no planning for it and it takes time to replace. Also, the blocking errors and launch issues can be ironed out with time.
As others have said, CP- like many other parks, has made the mistake of not alotting enough time for testing and fine tuning, its that simple.
First, how is CP lying? Well, as I said SEVERAL times. They said there was a possibility TTD would run on Friday numerous times. IF this story about the part is correct, they knew it would not run. What would YOU call that???
Second, about the poster who said they already built a test rocket coaster. I ask AGAIN, please re-read my post. If you look closely you will see that I said they should build "another" rocket coaster smaller than TTD at a different park before going so big. You say Xcelerator is running reliably, but several posts on here dispute that. I think the kinks should be worked out of the smaller version or versions before going so big. That was all I was saying.
I like CP, other than MIA it is my home park. What I dont understand is why alot of you jump all over people who are disappointed about TTD not running or even hint at criticism at CP?? Its ridiculous, people are entitled to their opinion and you telling them CP is great anyway doesnt take away any disappointment for those who wanted to ride TTD. Its almost like some type of CP cult or something.
I love the post that says go to a different park and ride a 400 ft coaster. LOL, that has got to be one of the dumbest comments I have ever heard on a board. You know what? Right now there is no 400ft coaster you can ride ANYWHERE, including CP. If CP had this thing running consistantly and reliably people wouldnt be disappointed about it not running would they?? Man, if you are going to try to flame, at least be intelligent about it.
Also, saying that other CP new rides were down this much is just completely untrue. Magnum ran VERY consistantly its first year. The only major shut down I remember is when a gust of wind hit it causing a roll back. Same thing with M. Force, its only major downtime the first year was the roll back from a gust of wind and that was for one day (it would shut down intermittantly for an hour or two some days, but was running just about everyday, most of the day). Wicked Twister did have some significant downtime though, I will give you that. But it was nowhere near as big of a deal as this ride is.
Maybe the problem is Intamin as someone mentioned above. I can see that. But CP is going to bare some of the criticism regardless because it is their ride and how they handle the downtime reflects on them. (I guess I will get flamed by the Intamin Cultists now LOL). All I know is someone underestimated this ride, CP or Intamin or most likely both to some degree. They obviously should have started constructing this thing even earlier last year as they certainly did not have enough testing time with it.
We will see how good CP and Intamin are. They can come through with flying colors if by the end of this month it is running consistantly and continues to for the rest of the year. But if it runs like it has been the rest of the year, CP has a nightmare on its hands. I think CP can do it, but it is still disappointing despite the fact that some you think that it is impossible to be disappointed with CP and that people may not enjoy their visit as a result GASP!
I love the post that says go to a different park and ride a 400 ft coaster. LOL, that has got to be one of the dumbest comments I have ever heard on a board. You know what? Right now there is no 400ft coaster you can ride ANYWHERE, including CP. If CP had this thing running consistantly and reliably people wouldnt be disappointed about it not running would they?? Man, if you are going to try to flame, at least be intelligent about it.
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Oh man, do you even know what sarcasm is?
Other than that, everything else you said made sense, especially the part about the cult. lol...~in completely generic voice~ Cedar Point is the best. Cedar Point is the best. Cedar Point is the best...and so on...
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LeWiS
Oh man, do you even know what sarcasm is?
Other than that, everything else you said made sense, especially the part about the cult. lol...~in completely generic voice~ Cedar Point is the best. Cedar Point is the best. Cedar Point is the best...and so on...
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LeWiS
LOL, ok then, if it was sarcasm then it was funny. But its hard to read sarcasm into a post sometimes. Especially considering how out of hand some people get when someone is criticising CP. Some of the posts on here that are not sarcasm sound just as ridiculous, that is what is unbelievable.
*** This post was edited by CP Twister 6/8/2003 12:41:35 AM ***
For the person who asked, TTD was open Wednesday, but it broke during morning testing on Thursday.
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On Wednesday, it was open until 1:00 (and probably only ran for about an hour during that time) - and then shut down the rest of the day and hasn't reopened since - you can pretty much count most of Wednesday in that time.
Your missing the point...when someone says "Go ride a 400 foot coaster at a different park" they mean the following : At least Cedar Point has one! Sure, SFMM claims their "coaster" is 400 feet, but we all know the car never gets close to that. Be thankful it exists in the coasterworld is what we/they are trying to say. So it actually has a good meaning/flame quality, maybe you just have to actually look into it instead of jumping the gun.
Or why don't we just pull a 6 Flags and let the coaster sit the whole season?
Edit-And by the way...Magunm XL-200 : Lift Chain Snapped. Millennium Force : Cable Snapped....Just thought I'd "Remind" you...
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WW is fun. CP_M @ TN and Perfectbowler @ SFN.
They had run a few trains yesterday morning, two empty and one filled with "test water dummies", and after those three or four attempts it was shut down for the rest of the day.
I spoke to a "sweeperette" that roams the park - she said she is annoyed with Dragster as well, has tried to get onto 4 times now, and every time its breaking down, she said she would try to get onto it Sunday (today) and if at that point still couldn't, she was giving up.
I almost have to wonder if this was a $25 million dollar investment flop.!?
They had run a few trains yesterday morning, two empty and one filled with "test water dummies", and after those three or four attempts it was shut down for the rest of the day.
I spoke to a "sweeperette" that roams the park - she said she is annoyed with Dragster as well, has tried to get onto 4 times now, and every time its breaking down, she said she would try to get onto it Sunday (today) and if at that point still couldn't, she was giving up.
I almost have to wonder if this was a $25 million dollar investment flop.!?
Legendary said:
The debate had nothing to do with anything else other than TTD, and its unreliability....The ride has operated with four car trains (aka not to original design), has opened with the park less than a handful of times since CP has been open, snapped a cable, opened at noon and ran for thirty minutes, then broke down for six hours, then ran three trains and broke down another hour when I was there last Thursday, and now is down for at least four days. I ask you, when does your take on the word "excessive" apply to Dragsters downtime?---------------
Legendary, I can appreciate how much you like TTD (because I happen to feel the same way). And, it's true that TTD has experienced its' share of problems since its' opening. I'll be the first to admit that. But you have to keep in mind the park is doing everything short of waving its' magic wand to keep that ride up and running. And I think that deserves some credit.....
It's easy to create a laundry list of problems whenever a new ride is opened to the public (and let's emphasize the operative word "new"). I realize you are eager to join the bandwagon. It's always easy to be on the complaining end of things, but try to see that there is a concerted effort to keep this ride operating as much as possible. I am very glad TTD is in my backyard - I'd take a coaster like that (w/ some glitches) over a staple B&M any day (not that I have any aversion to 'staple' B&M's at all, of course). I just choose a different outlook, and try not to get caught up in the endless nasal whining about how inconvenienced I am that the ride is closed. To all the naysayers in the world, I just simply have to say shut up and grow up (in that order), "dude!"
True, the debate is not about 'Cedar Point is fine even without TTD', but someone else brought that point up, not you. As far as the meaning of the word "excessive," well, you have a right to your own opinion. I'm not about to start and debate your "logic."
*** This post was edited by ophthodoc 6/8/2003 11:01:55 AM ***
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