Tomb Raider: The Ride - Proof of Giant Top Spin


I think some people are dissapointed because of the fact that it's costing 40 million to build, when for that figure, the park could buy 3 B&Ms and a CCI. If you hadn't heard the price (that is the price, isn't it?), you'd probably be happy with the attraction.
Three B&Ms...jeez, what in the world in the world is going in this "box," besides a top spin?

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the $40 mill thing is in dispute. 
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http://www.zamperlarides.com/main/wind.htm
I just remembered a while ago when I was looking up thrill rides, I came across the Zamperla Windshear. It only seats 34, compared to 77 on a gts, but it would be unique to the U.S. Maybe it's wishful thinking, because this thing looks awesome.
Could this be a possibility?
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So.. doesn't that just mean PKI didn't acomplish their mission of keeping it secret? It's not nescisarily our problem....

They must not have done a good job if somebody found out, now did they?

Good possibility scanz, but I've also heard Paramount Designs and in-house development tossed around out there as well. I'm just about 90% sure that's it's not made by Huss and 60% that it's not a top spin type ride. I'm being very realistic with these numbers if you bear with me. Actually, I'm thinking PKI, First Drop, and Screamscape are all in on this to fool those who believe that it's a Huss Top Spin. I don't think they would want to put any connections with the park whatsoever in jeopardy. Did you notice it didn't say "Confirmed" next to the Screamscape Rumor/News item?... Muuaaahaha!
I have no doubt that PKI would float bad info - it happens all the time.  I don't, however, think that has happened here.  The designs were given to Lance in June, and match what we've seen so far.  I'd say they're right on.

One question though. Don't you think it would have been better for Lance to hold off until the ride opens, and then declare his credibility? Kind of a "See, I told you so."  I hope Screamscape never has a need to go to PKI officials for an interview or anything of the sort.  I don't think Jeff Siebert and company will be too helpful.

I don't think it's PKI's fault that the secret got out - somebody didn't hold up their end of the bargain.  And I'd be willing to bet that the individual responsible finds himself in some hot water.

Jacob

Sure Shaggy, a lot of what we read is speculation, but a certain amount of what we read is fact. People do talk who shouldn't talk and sometimes we get wind of plans. Like I said, if it bothers anyone, then don't visit Screamscape etc.

FYI, Scanz, Reithoffer Shows owns a Windshear called Flip-N-Out. Unfortunately, it was undergoing serious maintenance at the fair I was at:(

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Scanz,

I'm with you on this one.  I stated that I thought the same thing earlier with the Wipeout in Australia being the same type of ride and they do not come cheap either as Dreamworlds cost them some hugh amount of money.  A ride like no other I can tell you that.

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Well I just hope that PKI, since spending incredible amounts of money to theme this attraction, keeps it up. Look at all of PKI's previous themed attempts. FOF's theming looks terrible. The show building hasn't been cleaned since it opened, trash everywhere, lights burned out, etc. Top Gun has no theming anymore except for razor blade advertisements. The employees at Phantom Theater no longer where their black suit uniforms and Top Gun ops don't wear their flight suits. If I'm not mistaken FOF ops used to have a theme uniform too. So I wish PKI would upkeep their attractions better, because it is a waste of money and time to build a 40 million (+/-) attraction and let it get degraded.

Martin

I don't know why this 40+ million dollar number keeps comping up, Rideman debunked this rumor back in September:

http://www.coasterbuzz.com/forums/thread.asp?ForumID=11&TopicID=14011&page=2


Jack the Ripper ripped an article from Amusement Business today and posted it to rec.roller-coaster. It claimed that Paramount Parks is spending $40,000,000 total for upgrades to the five parks. According to the article, none of the parks is getting a 'signature attraction' for next year. So wherever the $40,000,000 figure for Tomb Raider came from, it's apparently wrong. The flat-ride-in-a-box theory is looking better and better...! --Dave Althoff, Jr.

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The $40,000,000.00 price tag is... a myth.  It has been an assumption that many enthusiasts made, which PKI has no interest in debunking.  They never stated an amount, or confirmed any such astronomical cost.

The park stated it was "The single most expensive attraction in the park's 30 year history.  That includes the 2 year, $40M Action Zone addition." I quoted that verbatum. 

But read that statement carefully.

The $40M Action Zone expansion included three different rides and a complete overhaul of an existing themed area.  Each of those would be a single attraction.

I would expect until now, the single most expensive attraction in the park was either FOF or SOB.  All told, I would say either of those attractions ranged in the $15-$20M range.  Tomb Raider, complete with it's elaborate themeing and design by companies that have worked with Disney and IOA, could easily top those previous attraction's price tag.

PKI markets, and uses statements, that can lead one to assume things.  It is very well thought out.  Just remember to read and listen very closely to what they say.

Alas, we will never know the true cost.  And quite frankly, it makes not difference to me how much they paid for it.  I didn't cut the check ;-)

Shaggy

If I got to some ride and found out it was one of those Top Spin things, I'd be for running to the nearest exit. If such a ride is one of those things, they should let it be known. The Scrambler, yes, especially with those trippy light sets, but any other spinning contraptions scare me badly. I can't even watch that stuff operate. Put me in even a Gravitron and I turn into a scared baby.
p_c_r

Give me two days and I can show you a video of the Wipeout at Dreamworld in action.  And I will be going on it for the first time in a long time.  I have been on it once before and that was enough.  The only reason I am going on it tomorrow is for the video of the ride that we are taking for the web page.  Wish me luck.

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Wow! This is so much FUUUUUN!

 

It's like a feeding frenzy!
 
USE YOUR IMAGINATION as the serious thrill ride fans that you all are!
 
Imagine what YOU could do (design) if a pre-packaged flat ride was only one component of your ride.....
 
What if then you could add things like animatronics, 3-D giant projection screens, lighting FX, wind and/or rain, while computer controlling EVERYTHING!
 
Think about it!!!
 
......are you thinking?
 
Now then.....who knows.....in a few years we may be looking back and describing todays rides like: "oh, Son Of Beast?...it's JUST a rollercoaster."
 
If your brain believes it....then it's real.
 
~Tocci

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Here is the problem. If Lance is telling the truth, we all feel spoiled, like peeking in the closet the night before christmas t ype thing. Yet, if these pictures are fakes. Screamscape will decline as a reasonably reliable source for amusement rumours.

However, having said that, What kind of coaster, or water ride fits in a sqare box of those dimensions. I mean, you're only kidding yourself if you think that they are going to open an indoor superthemed B&M!

Don't get me wrong, I was hoping so much that the ride was going to be a coaster, or even a hugely themed flume or something. It's not, but it's not the end of the world, far from it. Paramount have installed a world class ride, the first of its kind. And I get the impression that no park anywhere will ever match this Giant Top Spin, (Or, for you Wayne, Giant Vekoma Wipeout type ride) for theming, or for general quality of ride.

Richard

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Shaggy said:
(snip)...Shame shame on Screamscape for publishing any valid/invalid information of which they should not be privy.  It is not their project to show off...(snip)...Tsk Tsk Tsk...(snip)
Shaggy"


Shame on you Shaggy. Consider Screamscape a source of information, while not always accurate, it's a source. Consider CNN also as a source of information, albeit more accurate. How would you react if CNN held back on an Anthrax report in your hometown because it might upset some people? What Screamscape has is called a scoop, and a darn good one if its true. Get your high and mighty nose out of what you think an coaster related news/rumor site should be doing and start your own. Go ahead, hold back that scoop, lets see who gets more traffic.

-seth


ucdaap42 said:
Get your high and mighty nose out of what you think an coaster related news/rumor site should be doing

Its his opinion, and we are here to express our opinions.  that is all.  Its called conversation. 

I think I'm gonna start a group called the "Chicken Chute Clique".  :o) 

Me, 2Hostyl, and Koaster King are charter members.  Feel free to join.  Weak stomachs and/or inner ear infections are the only membership dues.  :oD

First meeting is at the exit of TR:TR.  I'm picturing the chicken chute to be something along the lines of the Santa Claus exit slide in "A Christmas Story".   :o)

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ucdaap42 said:
Shame on you Shaggy. Consider Screamscape a source of information, while not always accurate, it's a source. Consider CNN also as a source of information, albeit more accurate. How would you react if CNN held back on an Anthrax report in your hometown because it might upset some people? What Screamscape has is called a scoop, and a darn good one if its true. Get your high and mighty nose out of what you think an coaster related news/rumor site should be doing and start your own. Go ahead, hold back that scoop, lets see who gets more traffic.
-seth

Please tell me that you are not comparing news of a society threatening virus (should read bacteria, not virus) to news of a new attraction at an amusement park!  I cannot believe anyone would even think of mentioning those two things in the same paragraph.


But if you must make a comparison to it being "news" and a "scoop"  then consider it tabloid journalism.  Screamscape in my opinion is basically one of the coaster world's "National Enquirers" per say.  It is news, relased not by the parties involved, obtained obviously not from the parties involved, and done so in order to change the opinions of others.

Say what you want to or about me, it does not change the fact that Screamscape made a very poor decision.

Shaggy



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*** This post was edited by Shaggy on 11/12/2001. ***


Shaggy said:


Please tell me that you are not comparing news of a society threatening virus to news of a new attraction at an amusement park!  I cannot believe anyone would even think of mentioning those two things in the same paragraph. 




Not trying to get all "Brainy Smurf" on ya here, but it's a bacteria, not a virus.
Still taking new members for the CCC!

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