Supports on site for Gadv's 05 Coaster

Well, like I said in the earlier post, I don't see the point of a L-TH-B ride unless it is a record breaker...

...or unless they plan on never running the Batman side of B&R:TC again.

I don't think it is a tall L-TH-B based on one support. I think that based on all the supports. I see a piece that looks like a catwalk support with "V" connectors. I see a huge piece with connectors that would fit in the triangle structure that only a coaster as tall as TTD would need. I see the smaller supports we only see in rockets. I can find a match for every piece in old TTD support photos. And I have read reports at 2 other sites that the markers are in two long parallel lines.

Has it not occured to people that GAdv. may have planned for this ride long before TTD's problems occured? I agree that reliability on Rockets and Intamins isn't very favorable, but it's not like GAdv. could hear about the cable snap incident a few weeks ago and dump the years of effort that went into planning this newest coaster.

TTD accelerates at an average of 1.368 G's for 4 seconds. And think about how powerful that launch is. For this new ride to accelerate to a faster speed in less distance would just need too much power. TTD already uses a 10,000 HP motor. What would it have to be to get a coaster to say 130 mph in 3.7 secs?

Hello to everyone, this is the first time i posted in a very long time. I was just reading and I figured I would add my thoughts. Im surprised no one has braught up the topic of Xcelerator. Before Xcelerator opened, Intamin tested the engine and had it launching at around 116 mph, just to check out the engines potetential for Top Thrill. If you don't believe me check out Coaster Forces news archives, its somewhere in there. Xcelerator was getting up to 116 mph in around 2,250 or so feet. Six Flags new ride is 2,400 and something. So yes, It is possible for the new ride to reach 420+ feet. Will it happen though? Who knows, we'll just have to wait and see, but remeber, it is possible. I found the link

http://web.archive.org/web/20021021002435/www.coasterforce.com/may2002.htm *** Edited 8/1/2004 10:07:15 PM UTC by cpmilliefan***

I'm pretty sure a motor as large as TTD's could power a launch from 0-130 in 3.7 seconds. As for g-force on a launch like that, it should be clear that you'd need to derive a relationship between the seat force and the pulling force. To do that, though, would require lots of specific technical data that we don't have.
On another note, I've heard that nobody on the net is even close to guessing what it is, and that it will not break a speed or height record. *** Edited 8/1/2004 11:58:06 PM UTC by MagnumAllan***

The relationship between the seat force and the pulling force? What are you talking about. The catch car, the train, and the rider all accelerate at the same rate because, guess what, they're attached to each other...

Force in Newtons would certainly require more technical data, but acceleration in g's is easily calculated with top speed and time to accelerate.

Yeah, you're right. Sorry everyone, I was trying to complicate this way more than necessary. *** Edited 8/2/2004 4:39:52 AM UTC by MagnumAllan***

I know!! I Know!

It's goting to be a S&S quantum coaster that will be 10ft - 10,000 ft simultaneously, and goes between -5 and 2506 mph all while being powered by alien technology - Of course

I know this just has to be true, I heard it from my Fiance's hairsyylist's uncle's brother's College roommate's mother's kindergarden student whose dad work with a guy who knows someone who personally Knows Stan, and has the inside information.

But just wait for the 10-d coaster coming in 2007. *** Edited 8/2/2004 4:09:41 PM UTC by Danimal***

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supermandl said:
What about this type of coaster it says it goes 450ft high, probably a long shot though since this is 3000ft long.

http://www.interactiverides.com/pages/Coasters.html

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Looks like a sweet ride and a great possibility

I tink itz an arrow 4dee and it ROXOR!1

Well, we know the engine has 10,000 HP, but without knowing either how fast it can spin, or what RPM that comes in at, there is no way to calculate torque, which could be turned into force (Newtons).

As much as I don't believe this is going to happen, there is no sure way of ruling it out. Anyone remember back in 2002 when SFoG was "rumored" to get the US's first B&M Flyer? Well I do. There was all talk about "It wouldn't go to SFoG if SF got it... Alton Towers has a 2-year copyright on it... blah blah blah," and look what happened? So you never know.

Again, I'm not a physics major, but I think you can indeed calculate the power needed to launch a ride from 0-130 in 3.7 seconds. Power (HP) is equal to work divided by time. We know the time, and the work should be equal to the change in kinetic energy of the object being worked on. Therefore, all we'd need is the mass of the train to figure out the power needed.
If you want to go the route of measuring the drum's torque, I think you could just calculate the acceleration of the train during the launch and assume (minus losses) that it is equal to the tangential acceleration of the drum. Then, if you knew the radius of the drum and its moment of inertia, you could calculate torque.

Well, if all 10,000 HP is used each time, then the weight of the train plus all the passengers is about 45,778 lbs. Sounds high, no?

Just thought I'd bring this up.

I'm sure they(other manufacturers) do it, but if you look at the pics of TTD when it was being constructed you'll notice that they wrote their numbers on the flat circular stubs(yay I have no coaster construction abilities). If you look at the pics of the SFGAdv coaster on East Coast Coasters, you'll notice that there is writing on the exact same place. Co-inky-dinky?

Yeah, exactly my point SFoGswim. I don't think Dragster's motor is even close to being maxed out. But, realistically, the weight of the train may not be too far from that figure if it is fully loaded. *** Edited 8/3/2004 12:17:24 AM UTC by MagnumAllan***

The signs in the TTD queue say an empty train is around 10 tons. You do the math.

MagnumAllan: In order to go the torque route, you'd still need to figure out the mass of the train, to figure out the linear force being applied by the drum.

<- also not a physics major, but paid attention and really liked it.

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Yeah, you need the linear force too...Good call Andy. Just for fun, I came up with the following: to launch a train from 0-130 in 3.7 seconds, it would take 6,732hp and 353 feet of launch track. It would also expose riders to 1.6g. This is purely theoretical and I'd imagine that it would take well more than 6,732hp to launch a train that quickly. As for a length of 2,480 feet, I think it would be close. If they launch out of the station and eliminate all other wasted space (and therefore lower capacity), I think it could be done. However, I think this thing might be arriving earlier because it is a prototype and not because it's a giant ride.

So you suggest it might be a type of ride we've never seen before, like a 4d?...sorry that concept just sounds really cool to me.

No, I really doubt it is a 4d. I just know everyone's talking about a new height and speed record and I've heard that nobody has guessed correctly so far.