Supports on site for Gadv's 05 Coaster

Coasterbuf, I completely disagree with you. As far as I can remember, the world-record coasters have been reserved for the midwest and the west coast for a good long time. The east coast has never seen anything of world-record proportions before, and it would definitely impress the GP and give the tri-state area a big boost of pride.

And besides, you say that a TTD clone wouldn't be impressive -- but if SFGAdv announced it was putting in the new record-breaking coaster that was similar to TTD but bigger, most of us would be pretty darn impressed.

The rest of us, of course, will be impressed if the queue doesn't have gangbanger graffiti all over it within a season. ;)

I'm just wondering when 'clone' began to mean "kind of like?"

If this is a clone of TTD, then it will be 420 feet tall with a 270 spiral down and run 6 trains over 2800 feet of track.

Anything other than that is a 'similar design', not a clone.

I *don't* want any inversions on my rocket coaster. I'd rather be in lapbars at 300' or 400' than in OTSR's, even SR style and even if it means I have to give up some neato inversions.

With Intamin's recent record, they may be putting OTSRs on all their new coasters...

I think another thing people are forgetting is that "record breaking" can be a very misused and general marketing term.

For instance, this coaster could be the tallest coaster on the east coast and still be a "record breaker".

There are probably many ways this coaster could be marketed as a "record-breaker" without actually breaking any world records for speed or height or amount of speculation by enthusiasts ;). *** Edited 8/6/2004 2:21:50 PM UTC by TiggerMan***

No, I realize there is a first time for everything, it's just that, as of now, the tallest looping coaster is Speed which is 224' tall, but only goes 70 mph. The tallest complete circuit looping coaster is Manhattan Express which is 204' tall, yet only has a drop of 144'. So the coaster with inversions that has the tallest drop and is a complete circuit is Alpengeist with a drop of 170', so to move up to 300 would be quite a jump... anyone follow any of that?

Isn't Nitro the tallest and fastest coaster on the east coast? I forgot where I heard that, but if it is, and this rocket turns out to be a record breaker(either in the world or on the east coast), you'd have a park similar to CP in a few ways.

One of those ways is that CP has the worlds tallest and third tallest coasters(TTD and MF respectively). If SFGAdv builds the worlds tallest coaster(or the tallest coaster on the east coast), SFGAdv would have the worlds tallest and the worlds tenth tallest coasters(or if the new coaster isn't the world record breaker but it's taller then Nitro, SFGAdv would have the east coast's tallest and second tallest coasters).

What I'm saying is if this coaster is just taller then Nitro, Six Flags Great Adventure could quite possibly become one of the best parks in the Northeast(IMO, NY, NH, NJ, CT, Maine, VT, PA, and Mass.) although HP and SFNE are there.

Also, it just occured to me that the Northeast is pretty much a Six Flags dominated business(SFGAdv, SFNE, GE) while Cedar Fair has Dorney Park in PA. But, this is not the time or the topic for my mindless ranting.

Sorry if you read all that.

-Adam

Edit:Minor Spelling Errors *** Edited 8/6/2004 4:37:36 PM UTC by SMTWTFS***

Changed Rocket to Coaster *** Edited 8/6/2004 4:39:47 PM UTC by SMTWTFS***

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SFoGswim said:

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Kris Wempa said:
Give me a 300+ top hat, twisting drop and a few inversions.

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How many 300 ft looping coasters do you see out there?

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Good point. But my point is that I'd rather see a shorter coaster with more elements than a TTD that's 5 feet taller.

Not that it's gonna remain that way forever, but I think the re-build of the old Phantom kinda sent the message that really TALL coasters don't do so well with inversions...;)

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SFoGswim said:
The tallest complete circuit looping coaster is Manhattan Express which is 204' tall, yet only has a drop of 144'. So the coaster with inversions that has the tallest drop and is a complete circuit is Alpengeist with a drop of 170', so to move up to 300 would be quite a jump... anyone follow any of that?

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Well, I followed it, but you're incorrect. Son of Beast is the tallest full circuit looping coaster at 218ft with a drop of 214ft.

Just sayin', is all. :) Back to discussing the Gerstlauer Spinning Coaster!

Joe "I'm lovin' it" C.

As far as I can figure, yes, Nitro is the tallest and fastest coaster on the East Coast (someone correct me if I'm wrong), but I doubt the Six Flags PR department will brag too much about having the world's tenth tallest roller coaster in its backyard. Even though the phrase "record-breaking" gets thrown around a lot, if it's followed by too many amendments, it loses its impressiveness.

Tallest coaster in the east? Not too shabby. But there's still that asterisk. It's like the mention on 1999's America's Greatest Roller Coaster Thrills: The Ultimate Scream Machines that GhostRider is the tallest, fastest wooden coaster east of the Mississippi River. Not really all that impressive due to the stipulations. It's akin to marketing Blue Diamond Park's Zyklon as the tallest, fastest roller coaster in Delaware; common sense will eventually prevail.

But "world-record" is an emphatic, unmistakable phrase. A lot rides on world-record status, as proven by the controversy between Millennium Force and Superman: The Escape that existed before TTD's birth. And all I meant was that "record-breaking" has been thrown around a lot on the East Coast, but "world-record" never has. Not many East Coasters know about Cedar Point outside the enthusiast community, so I doubt having a similar-style coaster (just for you, Gonch ;)) would make a difference.

Whatever the ride is, it will make SFGAdv even more of a premier park than it already is (questionable theming and attendees aside). But those two magic words would be a pretty huge coup.

EDIT: Spelling errors. *** Edited 8/6/2004 5:22:30 PM UTC by Nitro Dave***

Don't forget SFGAd already had the tallest/fastest coaster in the world in 1989...for two weeks. :)

JC

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ApolloAndy said:
I *don't* want any inversions on my rocket coaster. I'd rather be in lapbars at 300' or 400' than in OTSR's, even SR style and even if it means I have to give up some neato inversions.

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So when does your rocket coaster open........ ;-}

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Legendary said:
Well, I followed it, but you're incorrect. Son of Beast is the tallest full circuit looping coaster at 218ft with a drop of 214ft.

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Right, that's true, I guess I wasn't taking wooden coasters into account. Also, the loop on Son of Beast is only 118' tall, and that's because it's on the backhalf of the coaster, and the train has lost a lot of energy by the time it gets to it. Steel coasters retain their energy a lot better. Isn't MF going like 65 into the brake run?

Yep. 65 MPH.

Nitro is the tallest coaster on the East coast, but I'd think S:RoS SFNE is faster (215' drop vs. 228' drop). S:RoS drops into a tunnel.

The thing about records with stipulations is, people don't even pay attention to the stipulations and most people don't care about records. I've been to GAdv. and stood behind people who insisted that Nitro was the tallest coaster in the world, with Steel Force being the second tallest. I've stood in line for S:UF behind people who insisted there's no other ride in the world like it. Most people just ride both, really like them, and don't care what other coasters exist elsewhere.

Exactly, Andy.

Probably closer to 50.

I just posted a new photo update on my website, which really shows off the pattern of the footers for the tower and for the launch and brake run.

Hmm, seems as if the whole parking lot will not be jackhammered. Should we start an anti-parking lot coaster campaign? It worked for Superman :)

They could always just paint over it and use it for the queue.