J7G3 said:
Perfect landscaping at Cedar Point? If you like concrete and silver que rails I guess.Most of Great America is pretty 'put together' if you ask me. We've got some great looking rides (Eagle, Demon, Viper, etc.), rides in trees (Whizzer), flowers, and a tiny bit of 'hillage' in places (around the entire park, along the train line).
We also have Whizzer and Viper, Demon and Eagle as well. The newer coasters are big, sleek, and easy to market, but just seem to lack 'fun'.
What the heck are you talking about? Have you ever even been to Cedar Point? Landscaping is beautiful on the main midway and on all of the midways, and concrete everywhere? I see trees everywhere. You're just ignorant.
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Parker17 said:
J7G3 said:
Perfect landscaping at Cedar Point? If you like concrete and silver que rails I guess.Most of Great America is pretty 'put together' if you ask me. We've got some great looking rides (Eagle, Demon, Viper, etc.), rides in trees (Whizzer), flowers, and a tiny bit of 'hillage' in places (around the entire park, along the train line).
We also have Whizzer and Viper, Demon and Eagle as well. The newer coasters are big, sleek, and easy to market, but just seem to lack 'fun'.
What the heck are you talking about? Have you ever even been to Cedar Point? Landscaping is beautiful on the main midway and on all of the midways, and concrete everywhere? I see trees everywhere. You're just ignorant.
Ignorant? You're right... what a nice thing to say to someone you don't even know :) Wanna have a 'who's most ignorant contest?' You just might win! Kidding aside...
Yes, I've been to Cedar Point. Worked there as well from 91-93. The joke back then was even "Cedar Point: concrete and rides."
Yes, there are some nice flower arrangements, etc. I guess it's just the '1984/thx1138' feel of the cattle like silver que mazes.
There are lots of ways to make a que interesting. Cedar Point goes for 'control and operation' instead. There are ways to integrate the 2, but they don't wanna seem to do that.
The old thing they said in conferences "oh, we are not into gimmicks" I guess applies to the way they want you to wait in line as well.
I only have been to Dorney once, and it is very evident that CFair came through and kinda 'homogenized' or 'took the heart and soul' out of the park, for the most part. Some remnants are there.
Cedar Fair and the miles of silver que are fine with some people, I just prefer something with a little more creativity. Make it a little interesting. But then again, this is Cedar Point, the newer coasters just aren't as "fun" as, say, the classic Blue Streak. Just my opinion and preferences.. *** Edited 11/9/2007 7:06:57 PM UTC by J7G3***
We've been over this before. No one is saying Cedar Point isn't a pretty park (it is, no doubt about it), but it can't be denied there is a lot of concrete, a lot of gravel and a lot of large areas without any trees. Why people fail to see that is beyond me.
All the concrete is for large capacity which CP does get. Nothing is worse than tiny midways full of people.
*** Edited 11/9/2007 7:11:59 PM UTC by Parker17***
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Parker17 said:All the concrete is for large capacity which CP does get. Nothing is worse than tiny midways full of people.
*** Edited 11/9/2007 7:11:59 PM UTC by Parker17***
Good point Parker! All I can think about is Great Adventure and those huge rides on dead end skinny midways... ug!
I just would prefer more interesting ques at the Point. I dunno, there are a million things you can do. Wind around the ride, go by it, under it, over it, WOOD que rails (do Gemini and Corkscrew still have wood rails?).
These huge robot cattle mazes of silver with those sun blockers over em, yuck!
I also think they overbuild the ques. King's Island used to have a long line(s) on the ground for the Vortex, which didn't have the cattle rails (cept maybe in the station?) and that was cool. I'd rather see a very long stretch of folks moving forward than having to walk back and forth back and forth a hundred times.
There's a psychology to lines as well; the Vortex line used to look very long, but went quick b/c there were no mazes. I think a combo of the 2 would be great. Doesn't Grizzly at KD have a long trail like walk on a boardwalk thing? It did back in like '84.
Rob Ascough said:
It's not about the queue areas, it's about the midways... like this one.
It's bout the ques for me, Rob! hehehe :) But damn, they could line those midways with trees, just a small strip or something.
That midway is great at night, you can see everything clearly, etc. But during the day, that sun beating down, all that concrete, uck!
Yes, you can add some trees, and some ugly looking flowers, but I rather have the space. The more space the park has, the more people roaming around there can be along with less people on the rides because of that. You could have 12,000 people just walking/ sitting around not on rides.
For two Flying Bobs, you get one Wicked Twister. So, get rid of the Flying Bobs / Himilayas / Wipeouts / Swings / Breakdances / so on types of rides, and you will see lines becoming enormous for those roller coasters because that's all there is to do anymore. Less people will also stop coming to the park. If you are a tourist destination, you can get away with deleting rides, but SF, or CF for most people aren't. Disney only has like 25 things to do at the Magic Kingdom.
If SF had 20 things to do including 10 kids rides, do you really think that the parks would be that packed anymore? Repeat visits would be non-existant. People would get sick of it always being packed for only the so many rides they want to ride. For Disney, you can get the fastpass, and some of there rides are presentations like the Carousel of Progress, Presidents, Country Bears, and the Monster's Inc.
I think ass hat is a better fit? ;)
You were not so much doing a semi-intelligent critique, but just brainless babbling on about ridiculous price hikes that are yet to happen and how the news of the company's stock plunge means it gives credibility to your mostly uncomprehensible whining.
Also do you guys realise they sold a whole buncg of parks that were still operating in 2006 and not in 2007? For selling all those aprks and everything only going down by %2 i think thats pretty good.
Also the accident probably did effect them. Everything was going up until the accident happened. These changes wont happen overnight.
Right now they are getting rid of the rides that take more to maintain and staff and that get few riders. They have a lot of debt to get rid off. They also stated that the improvement budget wil lbe $100 million a year for all the parks combined. So dont count on any park to get a huge addition in the future.
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