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What prevents people from putting "mom" (who doesn't want to ride Nitro) in line for river rapids, running off and riding Nitro and then coming back and joining "mom" in the line?
And you know exactly what's going to happen too: As soon as people see that this behavior is allowed, everyone is going to do it. Heck, a lot of people do it now even though it's against the rules. Why would the park "trust" people when there isn't a rule when they can't trust them when there is a rule?
Is that fair? Is it fair that the people who planned ahead (went to the bathroom first, got food first, bought a souvernier first) get penalized for thinking?
Hobbes: "What's the point of attaching a number to everything you do?"
Calvin: "If your numbers go up, it means you're having more fun."
13 Boomerang, 9 SLC, and 8 B-TR clones
What prevents people from putting "mom" (who doesn't want to ride Nitro) in line for river rapids, running off and riding Nitro and then coming back and joining "mom" in the line?
As long as "mom" is there then their spot is being held in line and it doesnt matter if they go on another ride and come back. Its better than having to stand in line the whole time.
And you know exactly what's going to happen too: As soon as people see that this behavior is allowed, everyone is going to do it.
If people are intent on doing it, then theyre gonna do it rule or no rule. Having a rule just complicates things. Not everyone is going to follow the crowd, some people have enough sense to not do it even though everybody else is doing it.
Why would the park "trust" people when there isn't a rule when they can't trust them when there is a rule?
Sometimes having the rule makes people want to do the opposite even more because they want to rebel against authority. It would be much easier not to have the rule at all. They should only have rules for things when they absoulutely need them.
Is it fair that the people who planned ahead (went to the bathroom first, got food first, bought a souvernier first) get penalized for thinking?
Sometimes even when i think ahead and use the restroom before getting in line I still get an urge, especially if I have just drank or ate something. Sometimes there are things you just cant help and you shouldnt have to risk being thrown out of the park without a refund just because of that.
And one more thing, Mike, if the employee is busy watching the line, they aren't busy watching the ride.
They should have seperate employees watching the line and ones watching the ride so that nobody is distracted from what they are there to do and they can focus on their jobs. I never intended for the employees operating the rides to watch people in line.
They aren't lazy, they just want the people on the ride(s) to be safe.
Its just easier for people to make a rule and find a way "around" the problem instead of trying to solve the problem.
Mike131 said:
If people are intent on doing it, then theyre gonna do it rule or no rule. Having a rule just complicates things. Not everyone is going to follow the crowd, some people have enough sense to not do it even though everybody else is doing it.
I for one am glad you aren't in a position to create laws about murder, rape, etc!
Peabody said:
Mike131 said:
Especially families, they need to show these bozos what they think about their "family friendly" atmosphere. This kind of nonsense cannot be tolerated.
Yeah, totally. Next time I bring my son to Six Flags there better damn well be some naked guy cutting in line in front of me blowing smoke in my face and calling me a f*ckhead or we're going somewhere else!
Geez. I thought Nasai stopped doing those things after the campground incident in 2003. ;)
-Tina
*** Edited 10/26/2006 6:51:00 PM UTC by coasterqueenTRN***
The answer is never simply because customers at said grocery store know that they have to wait their turn in line just like everybody else and the same is true for parks as well.
Now when most people spot lione jumpers in a park the whole area around the "confrontation zone" witnesses it & they can notify the first operator they come into contact with upon entering the station about it & the proper action is sometimes taken....try reading the information on any SF map or ride entrance which clearly points out that guests may not leave the line & return to that spot in line for any reason or they may not hold places in line for others & that violators of the rules are subject to removal from the premesis without refund if caught the next time you visit your local SF park...or any park for that matter.
Your posts remind me an awful lot of the posts I see on a daily basis on a completely OT forum that I post in<unrelated to coasters>,in which no matter how many times things are explained to said poster<concerning the topic of discussion> said poster still doesn't get it through his head & continues to post nonsense & ends up becoming the laughing stock of the entireforum as a result.
And as far as going and riding other things and then coming back to your previous spot in the original line, yes, it's better for you, but it's not fair to everyone else who decides to do the ethical thing and stay in line.
Also, if you don't think you can wait 2 hours without having to go the bathroom at some point, don't wait 2 hours.
13 Boomerang, 9 SLC, and 8 B-TR clones
Mike131 said:
As long as "mom" is there then their spot is being held in line and it doesnt matter if they go on another ride and come back. Its better than having to stand in line the whole time.
So it's fair that a group of 2 can ride approximately 2 times as many rides each than a group of 1, even though they paid the same price?
Hobbes: "What's the point of attaching a number to everything you do?"
Calvin: "If your numbers go up, it means you're having more fun."
I for one am glad you aren't in a position to create laws about murder, rape, etc!
Well I would think rape, murder and other such things are much more serious than line jumping.
When's the last time you have seen people cutting in line at the grocery store checkout Mike?
Sometimes people get out of line and then back in to get groceries while someone is holding their spot in line. Nobody complains about it there.
Your posts remind me an awful lot of the posts I see on a daily basis on a completely OT forum that I post in<unrelated to coasters>,in which no matter how many times things are explained to said poster<concerning the topic of discussion> said poster still doesn't get it through his head & continues to post nonsense & ends up becoming the laughing stock of the entireforum as a result.
Well im glad you think its nonsense and get a good laugh out of it.
Mike, in my comment about employees watching rides instead of lines, you were calling them lazy for not doing just that. Now you're saying that the new ones will eliminate that need. 1) I'm not referring to after any changes would be made, and 2) they aren't lazy if they're doing their jobs.
I just think they want to take the easy path and make a rule that punishes everyone instead of taking a lil bit of effort to try and catch the real troublemakers so good people dont get punished just because of a few bad apples.
And as far as going and riding other things and then coming back to your previous spot in the original line, yes, it's better for you, but it's not fair to everyone else who decides to do the ethical thing and stay in line.
Well if someone is holding my spot in line then its really no different than if I was actually still there because technically there's still a person there occupying that spot. Besides its none of their business what i do while im in line. I dont criticise their line ethics, so they shouldnt criticise mine.
Also, if you don't think you can wait 2 hours without having to go the bathroom at some point, don't wait 2 hours.
Sometimes you dont know for sure if you can wait 2 hours or not until youre in line.
So it's fair that a group of 2 can ride approximately 2 times as many rides each than a group of 1, even though they paid the same price?
After you pay to get in, it doesnt matter how many rides you go on or how many times you go on those rides. its not like you gotta go through the ordeal of buying individual tickets for each ride anymore.
Mike
Sometimes people get out of line and then back in to get groceries while someone is holding their spot in line. Nobody complains about it there.
Obviously, you don't shop in the same stores I do. :) Not that I mind if a person runs to replace a dented can or something minor. And I have been known to let people with 2 or 3 items in front of me. But I have commented when people in line discover they forgot 10 or 12 items from their list as the checker is running their order down the conveyor belt.
And when people in line say "excuse me, but my (fill in the blank with family or friend) is up ahead" I have been known to reply "So?"
Mike
EIther way, the issue is not the rules themselves. Unlike Mike, most of the rest of the world considers such rules good and family friendly, and they desire such an experience at a park. The issue here is that this press release was just attention whoring by Six Flags, was nothing new, and won't likely be enforced. *** Edited 10/28/2006 6:05:50 PM UTC by Peabody***
Blah blah blah....No one goes to a park based on what you just said. People go to parks to have fun regardless what the rules say.
There are some people who would go reguardless of what the rules said, no matter how outrageous they are, but most people dont like alot of rules imposed on them. I mean how can you possibly have fun when you have to constantly worry if youre meeting their expectations or not?
On the one side, how many people actually read the rules before they go to a park...none. But, if Cedar Point or Disney made a rule that you had to wear 2 shirts in the park and one had to be orange, they wouldn't be filing chapter 11 anytime soon.
Thats because they havent changed alot in 10-20 years so theres no reason to. Most people do have limits to where they wont let people tell them how to dress and when they reach those limits the parks can suffer if they continue to try to push those. Most people wouldnt be caught dead wearing 2 shirts to a theme park on a hot day, heck alot wouldnt even be caught wearing one. If guests dont set limits that theyre willing to put up with then the parks will notice this and will end up walking all over them and thats not something you want to happen.
EIther way, the issue is not the rules themselves. Unlike Mike, most of the rest of the world considers such rules good and family friendly, and they desire such an experience at a park.
Of course it is, we all desire an ideal environment at a theme park but most of the time this isnt realistic and when parks strive too hard to create this they end up infringing on people's rights and freedoms in the process in the name of being family friendly and thats not right no matter how good your intentions are. People need to learn to worry about their own actions and stop trying to control what other people do and thumbing their noses where they dont belong. What other people do/dont do is none of their business.
Mike
Mike131 said:
What other people do/dont do is none of their business.Mike
Wrong....on private property like a park it is entirely the parks business what people say/do, etc. whether you agree with it or not. Again, if they want to make a rule that everyone has to wear a wig in the park, that's their call.
Wrong....on private property like a park it is entirely the parks business what people say/do, etc. whether you agree with it or not.
Theyre still a business that serves the public (me) so if I dont like something they do I can make em lose money by not coming to their parks so they need to care about my opinion. Besides there are some things private business or no that they cant impose on people because itd be considered discrimination.
Again, if they want to make a rule that everyone has to wear a wig in the park, that's their call.
I dont think its any of their business what "I" wear on MY body. I got dominion over my own body. If they want me to come there and spend money on my park then they will be quiet and let me wear what I please. Its a theme park, not their house, big difference. People have trouble seeing that difference.
Mike
You see, you claim people don't like all these rules, and they'll be constantly worried that they'll meet the park's expectations, but you are way off on that. People appreciate the rules these parks have because it keeps the deviants in line. Why do you think SFA has such a bad rep? It's because of people who hate all the rules and refuse to obey them. Now you're proposing all parks conform to the example set by SFA? You'll witness the death of the amusement industry right before your eyes. Heck, read up on amusement history. Alot of parks died because the guests did what you think they should be allowed to do.
As far as worrying about meeting the expectations of the parks, what parks do you go to? It's not like you have to do this, say that, always walk on an appropriate side of the midway, breathe only in certain intervals, etc. Mike, these parks aren't the fascists you're making them out to be. No one's worried about meeting outrageous rules, simply because there aren't any.
Finally, you claim that the park will lose money because you won't support it due to it's ridiculous rules, but you're starting to sound like the kind of person parks are trying to keep out in the first place. You're not hurting them at all, you're an example of their success in keeping amusement parks the family-friendly places they're supposed to be.
13 Boomerang, 9 SLC, and 8 B-TR clones
After reading Mike's last reply the term "lost cause" comes in my head. I don't know why I persisted to feed the troll so much. I think I'll go talk about rollercoasters, that is what this site is about, right? :)
Bye Mike...good luck trying to fit into society when you grow up! You might have a little trouble finding a career you can perform shirtless. *** Edited 10/29/2006 6:47:50 PM UTC by Peabody***
You say they'll be quiet and let you wear what you please until they come up to you and tell you to either 1) wear something in the first place or 2) wear something that conforms to their dress code. Of course, then you could yell discrimination until you're blue in the face, or until they escort you out of the park.
Hey its my body, isnt any of their business what I do/dont put on it. If they wanna cause a big scene and make people see what theyre really like then they can just go ahead and try to confront me, I wouldnt make it easy for em, they might get me out of the park but hey the damage will already be done. Of course after that id just boycott the park and tell all my friends/family to do the same till they change the rules/go bankrupt whatever happens first.
You see, you claim people don't like all these rules, and they'll be constantly worried that they'll meet the park's expectations, but you are way off on that. People appreciate the rules these parks have because it keeps the deviants in line.
Thats why people dont like the rules because the park doesnt just going after the deviants, they go after everybody even if they areint causing anyone any trouble.
Why do you think SFA has such a bad rep? It's because of people who hate all the rules and refuse to obey them.
Its because they let a bunch of hoodlums into their park and theyre spending so much time coming after innocent shirtless guests like me that these other deviants are able to run amuck and nobody can stop them.
As far as worrying about meeting the expectations of the parks, what parks do you go to? It's not like you have to do this, say that, always walk on an appropriate side of the midway, breathe only in certain intervals, etc. Mike, these parks aren't the fascists you're making them out to be. No one's worried about meeting outrageous rules, simply because there aren't any.
Well it sure feels like that sometimes. Just because there isnt something you wanna do there that they dont like.
Finally, you claim that the park will lose money because you won't support it due to it's ridiculous rules, but you're starting to sound like the kind of person parks are trying to keep out in the first place. You're not hurting them at all, you're an example of their success in keeping amusement parks the family-friendly places they're supposed to be.
Hey, im not wanting to do anything there thats gonna cause anyone any harm so i dont see why they wouldnt want me there. Im not gonna keep them from having their silly family friendly atmosphere. If they wanna make their parks safe then they should tell the gang members to stay home.
Mike
Closed topic.
