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Monday, October 23, 2006 2:12 PM

Mike131 said:

I dont think line jumping is necessarily bad, as long as youve got someone there holding your spot for you. Sometimes people gotta get out of line for stuff. No reason to be punished for that.

I just dont think alot of rules are necessary when most of this stuff is common sense.

Mike


Common sense should tell you that anytime you go to a park you're gonna have to spend some time standing in a line,wether it be to get on a ride, buy food/drinks/merchandise,purchasing tickets for admission & even entering the front gate after you've purchased your ticket/season pass.

I don't know about you but I for one do not like to have to spend two hours in a ride queue <due to SF's lousy operations> playing by the rules only to have my wait time increased just because some idiot decides that they're gonna cut the line,or use the age old saving a place in line excuse to get out of playing by the rules so it's time for SF to get off their butts & enforce that policy.

As for the smoking policy,like I said I wish they'd just get rid of it but until they do I've got no real choice but to follow that policy no matter how stupid I think it is.


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Monday, October 23, 2006 3:09 PM

indyandrew said:
Everyone loves to kick SF, give them some credit when they are trying.

That's the problem...they're not trying. These are all old rules that have been on the books for years and before they've only ever been poorly enforced at best. Based on their current operations it's near impossible to imagine they will be enforced.

This is just an attempt at good publicity.


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Monday, October 23, 2006 3:40 PM

indyandrew said:
If Holiday World had a policy in place not to let racist, homophobic, mullet wearing rednecks come into and *work* at there park I’d go back.

Where's Raven Maven when you need her?

Are those the same racist, homophobic, mullet wearing rednecks that contribute to the high quality of service at Holiday World?

Did you have A bad experience, or are you A little sensative?

I've found that the midwest is A very friendly region: Especially southern Indiana.

If you ever visit New Jersey, please, write A trip report.

I guess I should also contribute to the actual topic:

They should have Tom Cruise play "The Security Guard" in an effort to enforce the rules at MM. I'm sure he will scare the gang members away and make sure everyone is wearing A shirt. *** Edited 10/23/2006 8:07:19 PM UTC by Blackie***

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Tuesday, October 24, 2006 3:06 AM

Common sense should tell you that anytime you go to a park you're gonna have to spend some time standing in a line,wether it be to get on a ride, buy food/drinks/merchandise,purchasing tickets for admission & even entering the front gate after you've purchased your ticket/season pass.


Yes and sometimes some people have to get out of line for various reasons, some they cant help. They should not be removed from the park (without a refund even) just because they need to step out of the line for a few minutes.


I don't know about you but I for one do not like to have to spend two hours in a ride queue <due to SF's lousy operations> playing by the rules only to have my wait time increased just because some idiot decides that they're gonna cut the line,or use the age old saving a place in line excuse to get out of playing by the rules so it's time for SF to get off their butts & enforce that policy.


If they were already there or have someone from their family already there then theyre not really cutting in line, theyre just returning to the spot they were at when they got out of line.


As for the smoking policy,like I said I wish they'd just get rid of it but until they do I've got no real choice but to follow that policy no matter how stupid I think it is.


I think they just dont want people smoking there altogether but since they feel they cant get away with totally banning it in the park then this is their next best option. Just like they cant make a law banning people shirtless in public so instead they just make rules at all the amusement parks for it.

MIke

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Tuesday, October 24, 2006 3:55 AM
Well “Blakie” I have been to HW three times. On two of those trips I have heard/seen racist/bigoted remarks/gestures at the park. The first time was a ride-op on there S&S tower who greeted another employee“What’s up faggot”. This was done in front of or within ear shot of at least twenty guests. On my second trip to HW I saw an employee behind the counter of a shop make a gesture of an ape, and make ape like noises after an interracial couple left the shop. He then made the comment to a female co-worker that he hopes she “never goes that way”.

I’m sure that these are not isolated incidents. Just as I’m sure that this type behavior is not the norm. I also realize that these types of actions/comments happen all the time at all types of workplaces.


As for the Midwest, I’m from Indiana. It’s nice here, and most of the people are good, honest hardworking folks. But it is also a VERY racist place. Southern Indiana for the most part might as well be Alabama in 1963. Once you go south of Exit 99 on I-65(Greenwood), or north of 465 on I-65 you’re in trouble. The only town south of Indianapolis that is NOT a racist red neck town is Columbus. Yes there is racism and bigotry everywhere. All I’m saying is I’ve never been called a faggot at Disney World. Yet I’m 2 for 3 at Holiday World with this type of crap.

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Tuesday, October 24, 2006 1:02 PM
Some would consider "redneck" a bigoted demeaning term as well.
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Tuesday, October 24, 2006 1:42 PM
coasterqueenTRN's avatar ^It never bothered me before. ;) I make more redneck jokes than anyone. :)

Indyandrew, I think you will find that crap anywhere. It's more obvious in some places than others. I don't see hardcore bigotry around here. It's mostly ignorance or people who haven't really left the bible belt, or West Virginia for that matter. :-/

I don't think I have seen racism or bigotry at any parks. Most of the time it's just stupidity in general.

-Tina

*** Edited 10/24/2006 5:43:48 PM UTC by coasterqueenTRN***

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Tuesday, October 24, 2006 5:10 PM
sirloindude's avatar Mike131, on your comments that people should be allowed to leave the line and still be able to return to their spot within it, I understand your point, but what about those who only sent a few of their friends in in the first place while they go ride other things to kill the time? How would you regulate that? How could you tell who was there that had to leave for whatever reason from those who simply just don't feel like standing in line?

You can't, and it wouldn't be fair to cater to those who have to leave. Sure, you may need to go to the bathroom, but you could've done that beforehand. And heck, I know that some parks will give guests the option to do so under certain conditions such as downtime. Not an advertised fact, but you find the right people and they'll let that go.

Simply put, though, you can't tell a line jumper from someone who just needed to take care of some business. You don't always know if they were there beforehand, and heck, if you're far enough back, how do you even know they have someone holding their spot in line for them? You can't possibly know. If you can't tell line jumpers from line-leavers, you need to eliminate the possibility for either.


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Tuesday, October 24, 2006 5:12 PM
I think instead of ejecting bigoted people from the park they might wanna try educating them instead so theyre not so ignorant and dont go around saying a bunch of racist stuff to people. They dont learn nothing by being kicked out.
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Tuesday, October 24, 2006 5:24 PM
sirloindude's avatar You'd be surprised how much people learn from being kicked out. I'd much rather get a talking-to and the opportunity for more rides then getting walked out through the front gate without being allowed back in. Seriously, I don't think anyone would take the ejection over the lecture. If so, people must throw one heck of a fit over getting lectured, 'cause I've seen people get furious over removal.

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Tuesday, October 24, 2006 5:35 PM
If you have to leave the line for,say an emergency bathroom break then you must wait at the back of the line upon your return,it's as simple as that....your friends should have the common sense to know to wait for you at the exit once they get off the ride.

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Tuesday, October 24, 2006 7:20 PM

If you have to leave the line for,say an emergency bathroom break then you must wait at the back of the line upon your return,it's as simple as that....your friends should have the common sense to know to wait for you at the exit once they get off the ride.


If your friends are already in line then theyre holding your place so when you come back you should be able to get right back in line with them. Youre not cutting if you were already in line in the first place.

Its not fair for them to make you go to the back just because you getting back in line upsets a few disgruntled customers. If they didnt mind you being there before then it shouldnt matter when you come back cuz the line isnt any longer than it was when you left.

Mike

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Tuesday, October 24, 2006 7:33 PM

Mike131, on your comments that people should be allowed to leave the line and still be able to return to their spot within it, I understand your point, but what about those who only sent a few of their friends in in the first place while they go ride other things to kill the time? How would you regulate that?


There is no way to regulate what they do when they get out of line and really it doesnt matter as long as they come back. You just have to assume theyre doing something practical like using the restroom.


How could you tell who was there that had to leave for whatever reason from those who simply just don't feel like standing in line?


The other people in line at that spot usually know who's supposed to be there in line and who isnt.


You can't, and it wouldn't be fair to cater to those who have to leave.


You can, you just get a bunch of lazy employees who dont wanna bother to try. Its much easier to just ban things than to try to actually make an honest effort.


Sure, you may need to go to the bathroom, but you could've done that beforehand.


I for one know those bathroom urges areint always planned, especially for children. Its not fair to make them have to wait in the back of the line again.


And heck, I know that some parks will give guests the option to do so under certain conditions such as downtime. Not an advertised fact, but you find the right people and they'll let that go.


If they gotta leave and have someone holding the spot and know those people are gonna come back then I dont see what the problem is.


Simply put, though, you can't tell a line jumper from someone who just needed to take care of some business.


Sure you can, if youre one of those employees that actually pays attention and isnt yakking on your cell phone all day. Most employees around and other customers already in line have a pretty good idea who is supposed to be there and who isnt.


You don't always know if they were there beforehand, and heck, if you're far enough back, how do you even know they have someone holding their spot in line for them?


You just have to trust that theyre being legit and that someone is actually holding the spot for them. If youre that far back youre probably not gonna see em jump the line anyways or even care.


You can't possibly know. If you can't tell line jumpers from line-leavers, you need to eliminate the possibility for either.


Then you end up punishing the people who areint doing nothing wrong just to catch the troublemakers because the employees are too lazy to try to tell the difference between the two. I think it has more to do with laziness on part of the employees more than them not actually being able to tell the difference.

Mike

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Tuesday, October 24, 2006 9:50 PM
sirloindude's avatar Please tell me that you don't honestly think that a park will divert some of its employees to play line guard. Seriously, where would they even be stationed? Not all lines have good vantage points. Also, are you serious about assuming they left for a legit reason? Sorry, but that's one huge lapse in logic. Shoot, you'd have complete chaos. A truckload of people would go other rides with shorter lines and then come back. If they know they can get away with it, you can bet they will. Heck, one thing you'd learn after working at an amusement park is that you can't trust the guests. Sure, there are the honest ones, but people try to pull stuff on you all the time, especially when it comes to line jumping.

And Mike, no, you can't tell line jumpers from someone who just had to take care of business. People who went to take care of business don't look any different, have any physical features that set them apart, etc. I've worked as a ride op at parks, and I honestly can't tell the difference. And no, I don't yak on my cell phone all day. Give park employees some credit. We're not the idiots you're portraying us to be. Try working at a park before you make bogus claims like that.

In rebuttal to your comment that employees have a good idea of who should be at any given location, are you serious? Do you really think an employee is going to memorize the entire line and everyone's spot in it? Nope.

Finally, laziness has nothing to do with telling who left for a legitimate reason and who is line jumping. The inability to memorize 10,000 people and read minds is responsible for that. Seriously, I'll memorize the dictionary before I'll be able to read minds.


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Tuesday, October 24, 2006 10:43 PM
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sirloindude said:Please tell me that you don't honestly think that a park will divert some of its employees to play line guard. Seriously, where would they even be stationed? Not all lines have good vantage points.

From the lifeguard chair/DJ booth, you can see nearly everything....entertainment AND security...and it makes the line seem not-so-long. ;)

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Tuesday, October 24, 2006 11:08 PM
sirloindude's avatar That's not true for all rides. Only some rides at some parks. And plus, in certain queues, you can't see everything. The queues are just too big/spread out/split up/etc.

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Tuesday, October 24, 2006 11:47 PM

Please tell me that you don't honestly think that a park will divert some of its employees to play line guard. Seriously, where would they even be stationed? Not all lines have good vantage points.


They could just do it differently for each ride and just try their best. If they wanna enforce their new rule theyre gonna have to have someone watching the lines.


Also, are you serious about assuming they left for a legit reason? Sorry, but that's one huge lapse in logic. Shoot, you'd have complete chaos. A truckload of people would go other rides with shorter lines and then come back. If they know they can get away with it, you can bet they will.


Most probably do leave for legit reasons.


Heck, one thing you'd learn after working at an amusement park is that you can't trust the guests. Sure, there are the honest ones, but people try to pull stuff on you all the time, especially when it comes to line jumping.


If you cant trust them, howd you expect them to trust you? If you expect them to follow the rules and be honest then you gotta trust them a lil bit too. Theres always gonna be someone that will try to pull something on you, but most people dont wanna do that, they just wanna go there and have fun.


And Mike, no, you can't tell line jumpers from someone who just had to take care of business.


The people that were in line in front/back of them can. They know who's supposed to be there and who isnt.


People who went to take care of business don't look any different, have any physical features that set them apart, etc. I've worked as a ride op at parks, and I honestly can't tell the difference.


I know that, I just meant that you can tell the people who were in the line before that are coming back from the ones who just cut in line that were never there to begin with. Of course there's no way to tell what they do when they leave but if they have someone holding their place and they come back before those people get on the ride then who cares?


And no, I don't yak on my cell phone all day. Give park employees some credit. We're not the idiots you're portraying us to be. Try working at a park before you make bogus claims like that.


I were referring more to the employees at Six Flags that areint as willing to enforce the rule as much as other people. Most parks have good employees.


In rebuttal to your comment that employees have a good idea of who should be at any given location, are you serious? Do you really think an employee is going to memorize the entire line and everyone's spot in it? Nope.


Not exactly, but theyd have a general idea. Besides they could always get help from the people who are in line next to where the person was supposed to be. Theyd know who was there and who wasnt.


Finally, laziness has nothing to do with telling who left for a legitimate reason and who is line jumping. The inability to memorize 10,000 people and read minds is responsible for that. Seriously, I'll memorize the dictionary before I'll be able to read minds.


I just meant that they are too lazy to tell the line jumpers who have been in that spot in line before from the ones who havent. I mean how would they know weither someone has been in the line before or not when they dont even look?

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Wednesday, October 25, 2006 10:25 AM
sirloindude's avatar It's not a matter of laziness at all. Again, it's just the inability to see 1000 things at once.

Again, with regards to the comment, "Of course there's no way to tell what they do when they leave but if they have someone holding their place and they come back before those people get on the ride then who cares?," alot of people care! It's not fair to leave one line, go ride something else, and come back! That's line jumping! SF offers one the chance to do what you're suggesting be allowed, albeit for an extra fee. In that sense, OK, you paid a little extra (well, alot). Seriously, though, all you'd need is someone who isn't willing to ride anything to enter the line for you. Heck, if parks operated the way you think they should, I could walk 2 inches through the entrance, drop off the person holding our spot, and go ride things with shorter lines. How exactly is that fair? It's not (again, exception: Q-bot) in any way, shape or form.

And as far as trusting guests, yes, park employees can pretty much trust that they aren't gonna pry themselves from the train and jump to their deaths. Yes, we trust that they aren't gonna pull a gun on the Lemon Chill guy. And yes, we trust that they aren't gonna rip pieces off of a ride when no one's looking. Heck, I sometimes do trust that people leave the line for legit reasons, but rules are rules, and it just isn't fair to pick and choose.


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Wednesday, October 25, 2006 12:55 PM

It's not a matter of laziness at all. Again, it's just the inability to see 1000 things at once.


Of course it is, how do they know what they can or cant see when half of em areint even looking? I dont imagine they can see 1000 things at once but they dont know what they CAN see if they areint looking to be able to see it.


alot of people care! It's not fair to leave one line, go ride something else, and come back! That's line jumping! SF offers one the chance to do what you're suggesting be allowed, albeit for an extra fee. In that sense, OK, you paid a little extra (well, alot).


Well if the line is going slow and they have someone holding their place for them as long as they get back before the people theyre with get on the ride then I dont see anything wrong with that. Why should the people in back of them in line care its not like theyre any worse off than they were before they got out of line. People shouldnt have to pay to do that on top of all the other outrageously priced things they have to buy there. These parks just wanna make people blow all their money.


Seriously, though, all you'd need is someone who isn't willing to ride anything to enter the line for you.


Most people that hold a spot in a line for you actually wanna go on that same ride. Theyre just making sure you got a spot in line when you come back so you dont have to go to the end of the line and have your group be seperated. Its not fair to the whole group youre with to have to wait for you at the end of the ride while you go back through the whole line again just to go on the ride when that person was almost near the front of the line anyways.


Heck, if parks operated the way you think they should, I could walk 2 inches through the entrance, drop off the person holding our spot, and go ride things with shorter lines. How exactly is that fair? It's not (again, exception: Q-bot) in any way, shape or form.


Im talking about if you and the person holding your spot for you were already in line and then you get out of line to do something and that person saves your spot for you. Im not talking about having someone cut in line and hold your spot for you when neither of you were in that part of the line in the first place.


And as far as trusting guests, yes, park employees can pretty much trust that they aren't gonna pry themselves from the train and jump to their deaths. Yes, we trust that they aren't gonna pull a gun on the Lemon Chill guy. And yes, we trust that they aren't gonna rip pieces off of a ride when no one's looking. Heck, I sometimes do trust that people leave the line for legit reasons, but rules are rules, and it just isn't fair to pick and choose.


Why? thats what you end up doing anyways? Some of these rules are so vague that they end up leaving it up to your discretion and you have to pick and chose. Besides that way you make sure you punish the right people and areint just being politically correct and singling everyone out.

Mike

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Wednesday, October 25, 2006 1:14 PM
Mike 131,

Do us a favor here and not respond to other posters on a point by point basis. If you're replying to a post that is the post immediately above, or only one or two before, there is no need to insert every individual line from that post in your reply.

Thank you.

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