shirtless in parks-how do you feel
Why would anybody *want* to walk around shirtless and subject themselves to all that sun damage. Do you want to be a weathered old piece of driftwood when your older?
Same reason you go shirtless to the beach or anywhere else. You do it to be comfortable and to get rid of unecessary clothing when you dont need it. When I get older im not gonna necessarily be the most attractive guy around, heck im not now but at least ill have enjoyed myself and lived my life to the fullest. Ill worry about all the problems of gettin old when I get there, life is too short to worry about things like that now. If im an old weathered peice of driftwood by then so be it.
Go to a sporting goods store and get yourself a nice thin synthetic "quick dry" shirt with UV protection. They are very thin and cool, sweat evaporates from them quickly, and they protect you from the sun.
I dont go shirtless just to show off or stay cool, so having a thin shirt wouldnt make any difference cuz it wouldnt change the fact that im still wearing a "shirt" and thats the problem. I go shirtless to be comfortable and not be hindered by things that I dont need. If I want protection ill wear something called sunscreen. Thats why it exists for us people who wanna go shirtless so we can stay safe.
In the days of Paragon Park in Hull, Ma.,the swimmers from the beach went directly to the coaster with just bathing suits on with no shoes ! It was pretty wet and sandy in those seats. I agree that shirt and shoes should be worn at all times while in the park.
When you go to a park that is directly next door to a beach and you go on the rides there, you expect that sort of thing. If you dont wanna go on wet/sandy rides then dont go to a place like that. Besides even if you get dirty, all you gotta do is go home at the end of the day and take a shower and guess what, youll be good as new.
Mike131, the reason parks don't want patrons walking around shirtless is because it's not the infield at the Preakness [an extremely scary place] or a Nascar race.
That shouldnt make any difference. Theyre both outside and you get the same kind of people going to them that just wanna be comfortable and enjoy themselves.
Let's face facts--most of the guys who walk around shirtless are trying to show either a) that they've been to gym or b) that they can put back a few or more beers or c) that they've been to the tatoo parlor one too many times or d) that they haven't yet discovered sunscreen.
So what!!! Not everyone is some bodybuilder or model. You cant dictate how much people wear or dont wear just by what they look like, thats discrimination. If people want to gain a lil weight, or show off their muscles or let people admire their tatoos or get a tan then what the heck do you care? You should just worry about yourself and let other people take care of themselves. Its not like theyre doing anything to hurt you.
The bigger problem with guys walking around shirtless these days is that a lot of them--particularly young people--haven't figured out that the loops on their shorts or pants are for a belt, so the shorts or pants are hanging half-way off of the waist exposing most of the boxer shorts. So then at that point, you might as well make the argument "Well, why do they even have to wear shorts or pants?"
They do that even when they have their shirts on. In this case all the park would have to tell them to do is pull their pants up. Even if guys like to walk around like that, why is it any of your business? As long as their genitals are hanging out and flapping around then theyre not doing anything illegal, just let em enjoy themselves and not make a bigger issue out of it than it is.
Now, on to the part about sweating. A t-shirt was invented to absorb sweat. That's why the majority of them are made out of cotton. The common t-shirt will keep sweat off of the seats, unless you have a really sweaty back. You say, "Well, what about the gym?" That's why it's a rule at most gyms that you must carry a work-out towel (which I do) to wipe down the equipment after you work out.
Sweat evaporates better when a guy doesnt have a shirt on instead of being soaked into a shirt and having the shirt stick to the guy and him feeling wet and also having the smell of sweat on him. Its much more healthy to go shirtless than wear some needless cotton shirt, besides going shirtless doesnt cost you anything. If people dont want sweat on ride seats then maybe THEY should bring a towel with them and wipe the seat off before they sit down or maybe the ride operators could do it periodically throughout the day so the seats stay reasonably dry. There are easy ways to deal with these situations without compromising the freedom of male visitors to these parks, people just simply dont wanna make the effort.
I think shirtless people in an amusement park makes it look trashy and classless. I don't care how someone looks, cut abs or man-boobs, it's all the same. Shirtless people give the place a low class carnival atmosphere that is out of place in a family oriented theme park.
Well thats your opinion and youre entitled to it. Im sure people said that about women exposing their legs 100 years ago and you can obviously see whats happened now. Same thing. Being shirtless is not low class, its what you do and how you act while you are shirtless and how you carry yourself that can be low class. Theres nothing wrong with kids seeing other people shirtless, in fact kids should be encourage to go shirtless and encouraged that its okay to do so themselves. That would solve alot of the problem of kids these days being body conscious and going around wearing baggy clothing with derogatory writing and pictures on them. Its things like that which dont belong at a family oreinted park.
If someone can't stand to wear a shirt, they should be at the pool, not in the park. Actually, light reflective clothing will make you feel cooler than running around shirtless, absorbing the sun.
Its not just about staying cool and for some people they do feel cooler when shirtless and besides if they get enough water and go into the shade sometimes and wear sunscreen then they will be okay. People cant stay in the pool all of the time and its silly to say that being shirtless in the pool is ok around family but somehow once you step out its no longer ok. You cant have it both ways.
Mike131 said:
You cant have it both ways.
But you can have it both ways. These are privately owned parks and if they want to ban pink overalls, they can certainly do it if they want to.
And you know what, if I ran a park and I felt that banning pink overalls was a good business decision, I'd do it in a heartbeat! Just like telling people to put their shirts on.
You enter a park's front gate, you play by their rules. If you don't like it, don't go. *** Edited 5/23/2006 10:24:59 PM UTC by matt.***
1. Allow men to walk around shirtless
2. Feminists, ACLU, etc sue the park for sexual harassment for not affording women the right to go shirtless (its only a matter of time in this legalistic society)
3. The suit wins, women are allowed to go topless
4. Conservative families stop going to parks for fear of seeing these "loose women" "corrupt" their kids, and stop going
5. Park loses clientel and $$$ *** Edited 5/23/2006 10:50:59 PM UTC by Touchdown***
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But you can have it both ways. These are privately owned parks and if they want to ban pink overalls, they can certainly do it if they want to.
They could but they wouldnt do that. Privately owned or not, I dont really think its their place to decide or dictate what people wear and use that to decide who comes in or not. Its one thing to tell people what to do and how to behave in your place, its quite another to tell people what clothes to put on THEIR body. Thats their personal choice. Its unfair to decide that a person is unworthy to come in and give you their business just because they happen to lack a certain item of clothing that someone else has.
And you know what, if I ran a park and I felt that banning pink overalls was a good business decision, I'd do it in a heartbeat! Just like telling people to put their shirts on.
They dont ban shirtless people because its a good business decision, they do it simply because they do not like shirtless people and they hide behind alot of friviolous legal/safety/health/offense reasons to try to legitimize this but when it really boils down to it, its a personal issue. If it was because of all this other stuff theyd have one good reason that actually works and makes sense but they dont, most of their excuses are full of holes and can easily be disproven.
You enter a park's front gate, you play by their rules. If you don't like it, don't go. *** Edited 5/23/2006 10:24:59 PM UTC by matt.***
Hey, i guess if they dont want extra customers, its their loss. Imagine how many people they could get in there if they just layed off the whole shirtless thing.
Im not going to take a side on this one but Im going to point it out from a park perspective on the causes and effects:
1. Allow men to walk around shirtless
2. Feminists, ACLU, etc sue the park for sexual harassment for not affording women the right to go shirtless (its only a matter of time in this legalistic society)
3. The suit wins, women are allowed to go topless
4. Conservative families stop going to parks for fear of seeing these "loose women" "corrupt" their kids, and stop going
5. Park loses clientel and $$$ *** Edited 5/23/2006 10:50:59 PM UTC by Touchdown***
The park either allows women to wear bikini tops and men to go shirtless or they just eventually make a rule that allows both men and women to go shirtless at the park. Its bound to happen someday. Either solution would work. If women can wear bikini tops at a park, most would not sue the park because they cant go shirtless like men. If the park does allow women to go shirtless eventually then the conservative people will whine at first but eventually will get used to it and it wont be such a big deal anymore. People are not going to stop going to theme parks just because of this.
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I'm pretty sure I've seen this posted at just about every store I've ever been in. Do you not shop at stores either because they don't allow you to go shirtless?
If you don't want to wear a shirt, fine. There are lots of other places you can be and not wear one. Try going to them. It just means one less person in line in front of me.
Mike131 said:
They dont ban shirtless people because its a good business decision, they do it simply because they do not like shirtless people and they hide behind alot of friviolous legal/safety/health/offense reasons to try to legitimize this
And aliens killed JFK. It's a conspiracy, I tell you!
Do you go to restaurants, movies, the dentist, and work shirtless too?
-Nate
And yes, they are a private business, so for the umpteen-millionth time, they are allowed to make the rules. If they can't dictate a dress code, can they dictate rules on line jumping? Rules on restricted areas? Any rules at all? A rule is a rule, so if you say they can't dictate what you wear to a park, they can't dictate anything at all.
Lastly, as far as the amount of extra people they'd have if they didn't force people to have shirts on, I think you're way overstating figures. Last time I checked, there wasn't a large, "If I can't go to a park shirtless, by golly, I'm not gonna go at all!" movement.
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Mike131 said:
As long as their genitals are hanging out and flapping around then theyre not doing anything illegal,
Funniest typo EVER! :)
Another reason that people shouldn't be going shirtless unless you're at the pool or coming off of a rapids ride or shoot-the-chutes--the B.O. factor. Again, a t-shirt can help to contain some of the offensive smell after someone's been out in the sun all day.
I personally don't care about walking around on the midway, but I agree that on the rides a shirt should be required. More just because I can imagine going on Millennium Force in the morning and having all those bugs hit your bare chest at 90MPH, would not be fun, and YES it is a potential safety issue.
It might be a saftey issue, but then again if you chose to take your shirt off and go on a ride shirtless then obviously you accept the potential risk that some bug might hit your bare chest. Thats whats so great about this country is people have the freedom to chose and they have the freedom to accept whatever consequences come as a result of their choices.
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I'm pretty sure I've seen this posted at just about every store I've ever been in. Do you not shop at stores either because they don't allow you to go shirtless?
If I dont really need what that store is selling or if there is some place nearby that sells the same thing that store is selling that will let me come in shirtless then yeah I wont shop at the place where they make me wear a shirt, otherwise I just put it on. I try really hard not to shop at such places if I can avoid it. I dont want to give business to people who have some personal grudge against me for being shirtless.
If you don't want to wear a shirt, fine. There are lots of other places you can be and not wear one. Try going to them. It just means one less person in line in front of me.
Well when it comes to theme parks im kind of limited to the amount of places I can easily get to and just about everyone has a dress code that requires shirts. So its a bit hard to just refuse to go there and move onto the next one. Its fine for a business to refuse service to just ONE customer who is shirtless but what if there were a handful that were shirtless and were denied service? Thats alot of money down the tube for the theme park right there. Do you think they really want to lose that much money over some silly shirt rule? What if other people see how they treated the shirtless bunch and get offended and decide to leave too? Then the park loses more money. Beleive me, its not worth it for them.
And aliens killed JFK. It's a conspiracy, I tell you!
Its not exactly a conspiracy, but theres more to businesses denying service to shirtless customers than just some silly health or saftey issue. You can tell just by the way they talk and react to you that something bothers them personally about the way you are dressed and thats why they dont want you there more than anything else. I can see right through the sort of bs they try to pull on me. Im not so guilable.
Do you go to restaurants, movies, the dentist, and work shirtless too?
I've been to restaurants, mostly fast food places shirtless. I have never gone to the movies shirtless, although I would if I could. Last time I went to the dentist going shirtless wasnt really my thing so yah i had a shirt on. I havent gone to work shirtless yet but if I thought I could I would.
Mike131, honest question, just because of my own curiousity. How old are you? If you don't want to answer I'd understand, but I'd just like to know if you're ok with it.
I would really prefer not to answer that here. I think it would affect the way people respond to what I say and I want them to be honest and not just say something because of my age.
Mike, I'd love to hear the actual evidence you have for your comment quoted by coasterdude318. Frankly, it is a good business decision, because I can see alot of families complaining about it.
I simply beleive its a more personal decision than a good business decision because alot of parks pick and chose which rules they enforce based on things that they personally dont like. Park employees also get angry and are rude to shirtless customers and act like it bothers them personally instead of them simply being upset because the person broke the rules and kindly asking them to follow the rules. The majority of families I know would not fuss about a simple issue like this, they might not necessarily agree with it or like it but its not something they would make a big issue out of or stop going to a park just because people do that sort of thing there. Most people who complain about shirtless guests are those who are self centered and would like to impose their own views on others. These people are in the minority and parks shouldnt infringe on the rights of shirtless customers just to cater to these selfish people.
And yes, they are a private business, so for the umpteen-millionth time, they are allowed to make the rules. If they can't dictate a dress code, can they dictate rules on line jumping? Rules on restricted areas? Any rules at all? A rule is a rule, so if you say they can't dictate what you wear to a park, they can't dictate anything at all.
Line jumping and going shirtless at a park are two different things and if I really must explain the difference between the two then I guess I really have no hope of explaining anything to you.....
Line jumping has to do with behavior, being shirtless has more to do with a state of being. You cant ban a customer because he's shirtless anymore than you could ban a customer because hes black. I mean if people had the ability to change their color of their skin at will would a park then have the right to dictate what color you had to be to come in? I dont think so.
Lastly, as far as the amount of extra people they'd have if they didn't force people to have shirts on, I think you're way overstating figures. Last time I checked, there wasn't a large, "If I can't go to a park shirtless, by golly, I'm not gonna go at all!" movement.
Thats because alot of people dont have the balls to stand up for themselves and tell people how they feel, they simply grunt and put the shirt on and conform and thats the problem as long as people chicken out and do this then the parks win and they can continue to oppress their customers. Alot of people want to go shirtless to a park but just beleive they cant or beleive that it wouldnt make any difference if they did say something and did refuse to go to the park. These people need to realize that THEY are the customer and beleive it or not their opinion matters. If enough of them were to speak up and refuse to go to such places these parks would be forced to change their rules real quick or go out of business. Customers really need to do this, they shouldnt continue to give money to places who discriminate and infringe on their rights.
Funniest typo EVER!
I just caught that. I meant "areint" instead of "are".
Let's just say that wearing a shirt is an aesthetic decision for most places of business. A lot of women (and men) are turned off by an excess of body hair. The caveman look is not appealing to everyone. Why as a business would you want to offend half of your clientele?
People are offended by a million other things at parks, are these parks going to make rules about those things too? Theyre not worried about offending half of their customers because if they were then alot of the other problems you encounter there would be dealt with by now but they areint. This has nothing to do with offended customers, dispite what they would like you to beleive.
Another reason that people shouldn't be going shirtless unless you're at the pool or coming off of a rapids ride or shoot-the-chutes--the B.O. factor. Again, a t-shirt can help to contain some of the offensive smell after someone's been out in the sun all day.
Thats why God invented a nifty lil thing called deodorant!!!! Ive noticed that people tend to smell alot more with the shirt on than off because of all the sweat and everything else that collects there and is absorbed into the shirt. The only reason alot of shirtless guys stink is because of their hygeine habits not because of the fact that they areint wearing a shirt. If these people would just use a shower and deodorant, beleive me theyd be smelling alot more fresh. With a shower and deodorant, its a match made in heaven. Some colonge would also be nice.
theres more to businesses denying service to shirtless customers than just some silly health or saftey issue. You can tell just by the way they talk and react to you that something bothers them personally about the way you are dressed
Oh, I didn't realize the park's general manager and corporate officers - you know, the people who actually have the power to make rules about dress codes - were the ones telling you to put it on. That makes all the difference.
I think it's hilarious that you actually answered the restaurant/movies/dentist/work question seriously. Talk about missing the point! I think you've made things abundantly more clear, though not necessarily in your favor.
-Nate
But you don't have the freedom to choose when you are on private property. You're fundamentally wrong. What's so great about this country is you may have the right to walk around in your own home without a shirt on, but when you go into somebody else's house, you don't, neccesarily.
My favorite part is the way you claim that this isn't a business decision, and then give us an essay in which you describe why having people keep their shirts on is a bad business decision. I mean, which one is it dude?
In other news, obviously the majority of this board thinks you're completely dillusional, what's the point of writing all of this here when you could be writing to your local parks? If you really feel that discriminated against, shouldn't you be contacting them? *** Edited 5/24/2006 12:14:02 PM UTC by matt.***
That just proves the point even more of those who want others to wear shirts.
If you really think that a couple of guys who don't want to wear shirts really will really affect a parks business...I really think you are way over estimating yourself.
Closed topic.
