Shanghai Disneyland will close in effort to contain coronavirus

The label maybe. But the underpinnings of it have been decades in the making. Led in large part by journalists/news media members blessing of the movement from reporting the news to shaping/influencing it. And you can drive a truck through a "generally truthful" but not neutral approach (and that is one of the most honest approaches). Particularly when you look at shortened attention spans, sound bites, etc. Chosen headline can have a huge impact.

All of these are true, sure. The recent series of lower-thirds that CNN used during a recent briefing by the president totally crossed the line. The other vector I would include is probably judgmental, and I freely admit that this is a little squishy in terms of determining what is moral and truthful. It's objectively possible to state that Trump lies about something, but when you declare that he's having a tantrum, that's judgment and not necessary. You can leave that up to the audience to determine. And maybe that's where I've taken issue with the press in the Trump era: They've consigned themselves to saying things like, "Critics question Trump statements," when they can in fact just declare that he lies because they can provide that evidence. That's what "truthful not neutral" means to me.

Yeah, these guys got here just a few minutes before me and expressed it better than I would have any way.

It's a lot more than "Orange Man Bad" - in fact the Ornage Man is more the symptom than the cause.

This is interesting.

Edit: Heres the whole thing.

It's not interesting at all, because it's not peer reviewed research with a large sample size and control groups. Some lone doctors in Bakersfield knows better than everyone else? That's not how science works. I mean, did the European outbreaks not happen, and are those refrigerated trailers in Manhattan actually empty? What a couple of attention whores.

Lord Gonchar said:

It's a lot more than "Orange Man Bad" - in fact the Ornage Man is more the symptom than the cause.

I 100% agree with you there. I've said for decades now that we get the democracy we deserve. But the Orange Man is still bad. :)

I think I'm going to go through this thread and create my own drinking game where I take a shot every time Jeff mentions the refrigerated trucks.

Your drunkenness will be as real as the trucks. Have at it!

Jeff said:

It's not interesting at all, because it's not peer reviewed research...

You're referring to the same peer reviews that discredited the idea that the virus was here sooner than we thought?

Gee willickers, can't wait for that outcome.

I never have doubted the realness of the trucks. I just feel like you bring them up more as a scare tactic than anything else anytime you perceive someone isn't taking this seriously enough or is trying to be optimistic about the coming months.

BrettV said:

I think I'm going to go through this thread and create my own drinking game where I take a shot every time Jeff mentions the refrigerated trucks.

Pure gold.

/End Corona Thread... Yes!?

Vater said:

This is interesting.

Jeff said:

It's not interesting at all

I thought that "interesting" and "scientifically validated" were entirely different concepts. The conclusions of a study may well be "interesting" even if those conclusions are later found to be inconsistent with or incompatible with alternate, validated data sets.

I also find it interesting with all the different reported case studies, data analysis and experiments going on, which ones get traction and which ones don't, even though at this point they are all equally flawed and invalid (though still potentially interesting).

--Dave Althoff, Jr.

Rob: What are you even talking about? The virus was not here a year ago or whatever. Furthermore, if you can find one instance where research got it wrong despite the available data at the time, it doesn't invalidate the method of scientific progress that has moved humanity forward for thousands of years. You're making the argument of a flat-earther or aniti-vaxer.

The studies are not equally flawed or invalid. This is what I'm getting at... that there are unknowns and more data coming available doesn't mean we don't know anything at all, or that research doesn't yield useful information. And that's also why I bring up the morgue trucks. It's not to scare anyone, it's to demonstrate that there is a real and tangible outcome of the spread of the disease. Two assholes in Bakersfield are saying NBD while that goes on in New York, and in Italy the newspapers are all obituary. One of those is real, the other is two guys talking. Why do people keep trying to hang on to the not real things when they can see things that are real?

Oh, the trucks are real, and so is the $75 per hour pay for the temp workers shuffling around the bodies.

Article I read also says they are wrapping them in bed sheets and losing track of some of them.

Interesting, definitely interesting.

It's cool, Jeff. Using hyperbole to lump me into into different categories is a great way to prove that everything you are saying in this thread has been right. So now I'm lumped into...

-The virus was here a year ago. (never said that, I've asked do we know if it was here earlier than we thought? Like last fall or winter.)

-Antivaxxer (myself and my kids are current)

-Flat earther (No, but Mad Mike Hughes was very entertaining)

How long until I'm a Nazi?

What I'm talking about is that it's not a wise idea to completely subscribe to any idea on something that is so new and instead think of other possibilities and outcomes.

Jeff said:

One of those is real, the other is two guys talking. Why do people keep trying to hang on to the not real things when they can see things that are real?

Because the economy being in the toilet also greatly negatively affects lives, which is the same counterpoint most of us are making against the nationwide stay at home orders, and where the proverbial slider should be. Anecdotally, I don't personally know anyone who has or had COVID-19, but I do personally know many people who have been laid off or are struggling to prevent their own formerly successful small businesses from folding.

I'll be honest, I don't know if I agree with the raging asshole doctors in Bakersfield, and I didn't watch the entire press briefing I linked to. But I did see the part where one of the despicable attention whoring mother*****rs mentioned in response to one of the questions that the country's initial response of shutting down was absolutely justified given the data available at the time, and the other abject piece of living excrement expanded, saying they were applying the data they have and offering their opinions based on their community, and not NYC. To my knowledge, there are no refrigerated trucks containing bodies in Bakersfield. There are vast differences between areas like NYC and places like where I live, for example, where maybe it doesn't make as much sense to completely pause life as it does in more congested, at-risk locations.

I dunno. I found it interesting even though I'm wrong.

Another conversation worth having is the toll this has on mental health. In addition to the fear that many have, many people truly begin to experience major depression and anxiety when they lose their routines or struggle to find ways to stay active and busy. In the grand scheme of things, things like Cedar Point, Universal, a baseball or football game, or eating in a restaurant as opposed to at home are all trivial. But in a first world country like ours, things like this have become critical for the mental health and well being of many people. At what point is the mental health of those that are physically healthy or willing to accept the risk of going back out into the world as important as keeping those that are compromised or afraid to go back out isolated?

There have been plenty of comparisons here and elsewhere to how good we have it even under shelter in place compared to those who have gone through true sacrifice. And I agree with all of it. Me not being able to ride a roller coaster or sit at a bar for a few months is hardly a sacrifice or hardship in the grand scheme of things. But in life in the modern times of our country, we have grown accustomed to a certain way of life, and the mental health of many is beginning to really take a hit. At some point sooner than later, finding a way to reopen entertainment venues like amusement parks, community centers or heck, even strip clubs is going to be necessary, and not just for economic reasons. Balancing mental health and well being is no joke, especially under these circumstances, and simply staying in and keeping many forms of recreation and entertainment closed for 12-18 months will have a real detriment to the mental health of many. Walks around the neighborhood only cut it for so long. I get that it's a balance and I get that we aren't there yet. But this is the first time we've ever truly quarantined/sheltered healthy people. And at what point is that no longer the best course of action? But then again, I'm just a 34 year old millennial snowflake who needs a safe space and has never known real sacrifice, so what do I know?

Jeff said:

Two assholes in Bakersfield are saying NBD while that goes on in New York, and in Italy the newspapers are all obituary. One of those is real, the other is two guys talking. Why do people keep trying to hang on to the not real things when they can see things that are real?

Because NYC and Italy are scary outliers.

A full 1/3rd of the COVID-19 deaths so far can be attributed to the 300 sq mile area on the eastern seaboard known as NYC. It's a perfect storm of "hit exceptionally hard" meeting "unprepared." That equals scary.

I don't know if anyone is really ignoring it, but at the very least, it's not where I'd set my point of reference for this whole thing.

Which around here makes you wrong.

Dibs on creating the "I was wrong" CoasterBuzz meme.