SFDL announces new attraction
Disney's on the ocean, eh? Wow, that just lends all sorts of legitimacy to your arguments. May I interest you in this big thing with the pretty colors on it? Called a map.
8.3 - again, you're arguing from an enthusiasts' perspective, which is part of the problem here. From an enthusiasts' viewpoint, one hour from your actual destination isn't bad for another credit stop. For the typical traveller, an hour outside of their original destination is beyond the scope of a trip. I highly doubt that SFDL is even a consideration for folks headed to the Niagara area.
Have the concert facilities at SFDL degraded? Has Superman fallen down recently? Does the park still open every day and offer at least more thrills than empty farmland would?
Disney's on the ocean ... heh. While you're at it, would you like to tell me which ocean Cedar Point's on? I'm sure you and the many folks I hear asking that inane question in line for Wicked Twister would get along nicely ...
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Well, I guess I really should delete my account. I mean, if sirloindude wasn't pleased by my comments, of course, he's the only person I was talking to, so why keep gonig? I apologize to all of you who had to endure my endless attempts to amuse sirloindude.
And really though why wouldnt DL be a consideration for Niagara travelers? Mom wants to go to the casino, dad and kids go play at the amusement park. Its a quick day trip for Niagara vacationers. When I was a kid that was usually the situation. My dad and I went to ride Desperado while my Mom chilled at the Mirage pool.
SM may not have fallen apart yet but Predator is about to, the structures at the front of the park are about to, the bathrooms are ripe with the smell of piss and a number of the other rides are on their last legs (log flume). When was the last time you were there?
With some improvements they would win back myself and others like me (not just enthusiasts), with a signifigant new ride they could market to the Niagara falls vacationers.
Bleh, whatever. I live in Pittsburgh and have the benefit of having Kennywood ten minutes away. What do I care?
eightdotthree said:
Heres the deal though. My comments really arent from an enthusiasts perspective. Its from someone who owns a dog now....
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Adopt a pet today! Adopt two!
-CO *** Edited 12/6/2004 10:28:34 PM UTC by CoastaPlaya***
NOTE: Severe fecal impaction may render the above words highly debatable.
Man, why cant I add a proper link? http://root.eightdotthree.net/archives/2004/12/penelope_the_pu.php
*** Edited 12/6/2004 10:43:17 PM UTC by eightdotthree*** *** Edited 12/6/2004 10:44:08 PM UTC by eightdotthree***
CoastaPlaya said:
VF competes with itself (Camp Snoopy) and the closest major parks are 4-6 hours away. Yet CF keeps building more attractions.
*** Edited 12/6/2004 3:30:39 PM UTC by CoastaPlaya***
Yes I agree with you on that (be happy :) ) but what does that have to do with SFDL? There are NO SF parks around with the exception of Great Escape but Darien's main competition is parks like Seabreeze, Martins Fantasy Island, and Marineland. These parks are quickly getting more and more people with the addition of more and more rides. SFDL has to keep up and if they do th they WILL raise attendance.
The people are there, maybe not AS much as LA but they are there, from upstate New York as well as the Buffalo Area.
Ride of Steel: I'm hoping I don't come off as a prick to you here, I really do. I know you're not an adult yet (no, thats not a slam on ya:)), but seriously. Its obvious that you don't know how businesses work. Build it and they will come is what got SFI into the mess they're in. What SFDL needs to do if they want a new big ride is clean. Clean up their park. Clean up their attitude. Clean up their operations. Then they need to raise the prices on the gate and season passes.
If you don't have the cash to build something, you can build it, people will come, but they won't stay if the overall experience is crap. I really wish you could see that. I'm not talking from exp. here, but I'm commenting on your comments, as well as others that have been to SFDL. The last thing they need is a big new ride to let fall into dis-repair. I'm not tryin to call you out, but you always come off as sounding like a spoiled enthusiast when it comes to your park. If you want the park to get better, simply speak with your wallet and don't whine on a coasterboard about something that can't be fixed as easily as just adding something big and new.
Look at SFMM. They've added big, shiney new rides, but they're still known as Tragic Mountain, and aren't they suffering from slagging attendance as well? Didn't that used to be the Flagship park? You want that to happen to SFDL?
I know one day you'll come into understanding as you grow into an adult. But man, the SFDL is neglected thing is old, just like the SFA is neglected is old.
I'll give you and Batwing Fan SFA credit, you two are nothing if not persistant.
And you know who goes to Niagra Falls? Seniors and families with young children. Niagra Falls is hardly a Spring Break hot spot. And do you know what seniors and families with children are looking for if/when they go to amusement parks
Someone mentioned the Niagara Falls crowd as only being either families or geratrics who would otherwise not want to ride wild rides. Have you really been to the Falls lately, especially within the past 5 years? It's got someone that caters to everyone...
> The latest casino, Fallsview Casino, has added a new class to Niagara Falls that has never been seen before, and was predicted to raise the yearly visitors over 1.2 million. It's a lot more uppercrust 1st class all the way, attracting everybody.
> Clifton Hill has a Zamperla drop tower, Pink Panther balloon ride, around 5 4-D theaters which give a very wild-ride like experience, and a Marvel Superhero area with 4 interactive rides. A couple of those are pretty high-thrill, including the Zamperla drop tower.
> Nearby Marineland just added the S&S Sky Screamer... definately trying to cater to the ever-growing thrill seeking crowd. (big budget thrill ride)
> Nearby Marty's Fantasy Island also has been adding a lot more high-thrills, trying to shed the kiddie-park it's always been known for... including a new spinning wild-mouse for 2005. (big budget thrill ride)
-----> This is for the "inbetween" crowd that one said doesn't visit the falls.
> Add to that the Falls in & of itself, 2 other casinos on top of the one mentioned, the whole Niagara-on-the-Lake scene, the resort activities including full golf courses & uber-amounts of luxery hotel, and many nice parks..... and you got something that's not for the "redneck rivera Northerners".... that statement is just retarded. The quality of people that visit "the Falls" is high & above those that visit Myrtel Beach... you can't even compare the two... because Niagara Falls isn't a beach.
The kind of crowd that you compare it to is the Vegas crowd... because that's EXACTLY what Niagara Fals (Ontario) is trying to become, the Vegas of the East... and it's getting a lot of new stuff to cater to that exact phrase.
Soooo, to say that Darien Lake doesn't draw from the Niagara Falls tourism is retarded... the other main reason is because wherever you walk & find broschure racks in Niagara Fals, you will find Darien Lake advertised... along with everything else in the area... so that shows you that they want to milk off of that crowd.
They're just not as close in proximity as Lake George's tourism crowd is to Great Escape (8 miles).
Someone also attempted to compare the Western New York weather of being cold half the time vs. Cedar Po!nt located on the beach...
In case you didn't realize... Darien Lake & Niagara Falls gets the exact same weather as Cedar Point... and sometimes it's better because it not being on the lake, you don't have to worry about lake-effect winds & lake-effect rain (for the winter, snow).
WNY has ice & snow the same months as every other typical area in the North-East... cold Dec-March... and March sometimes has nice days! We've got great warm summers, and our springs are just as nice as the falls with temps hovering in the 60's sometimes 70's.
Have you ever seen the Falls in Winter when there's been a large snowfall? How about when there's been a major cold-spell? To see the ice-bridge form at the base of the falls is somewhat of a magnificant surreal setting. There are a lot of people who visit the Falls during the winter because there's a LOT to do off-season... and the view is just as nice as it is during the Summer as it is during the midst of Winter.
Oh....
To also throw a monkey wrench of rumors... next Month, there's the official talk of the "Oz" themepark in Wheatfield which is right off of Niagara Falls, and will basically decide whether that site is going to be the winner, or will lose out to Nashville or some Tenneessee city. If this park ever got off the ground, you can bet your ASS that nearby competiting parks (including Darien Lake) would have to bust their balls to keep from losing attendance....
...AND you can bet that the deciding factor if Wheatfield wins, is because of the poetential with the Niagara Falls tourism crowd.
I guess what matters when it all comes down to it is that SFDL is going yet another year without a new coaster and there's nothing we can do to change that...well...maybe if we all boycot the park, and stand in front of the park with signs demanding no one goes into the park until a new coaster is built, the attendance will fall enough for SFI to notice and they'll finially get a new coaster...
If you can't stand the heights, get out of the line.
...Six Flags will get the hint when they notice yet another attendance drop, that this park needs help. (lets hope that doesn't backfire)
Just remember... when Premier was in & of itself & owned only a handful of parks, Darien Lake was the flagship park recieving a new coaster every year 4yrs in a row ALONG with other goodies like the hotel, shuffling the waterpark attractions, and so forth... it wasn't until they bought Six Flags that it just stopped dead in water (minus 1999 season of course).
TeknoScorpion said:
Ride of Steel: I'm hoping I don't come off as a prick to you here, I really do. I know you're not an adult yet (no, thats not a slam on ya:)), but seriously. Its obvious that you don't know how businesses work. Build it and they will come is what got SFI into the mess they're in. What SFDL needs to do if they want a new big ride is clean. Clean up their park. Clean up their attitude. Clean up their operations. Then they need to raise the prices on the gate and season passes.
You are absolutely right.
I realize I may not use as much logic as a business person but let me explain this.
The operations @ SFDL sucks. When I go to Frighfest see about 30 cars in the parking lot, walk down to the man of steel, and see a full queue with one train operation I'm bound to be pissed.
Or when I call to see what the status of Superman was after people were forced to WALK DOWN the stairs from near the top, and I get hear a silent pause as if "NO ONE IS SUPPOSED TO NO ABOUT THIS" or better yet, "THIS DIDN"T HAPPEN"
Superman is running like an arrow coaster, it vibrates a ton and I think if MF which goes taller and faster can run perfectly smooth, so can this.
The only queues that are covered are the ones to flat rides which have the shortest lines.
The wonderful group of people they call ride operators who were in charge of Mind Eraser last year couldn't have done a worst job with dispatch times. The Raptor crew from CP could show them a few pointers.
Did you know that 3 of the 5 coasters were closed for at least a month this past operating season?
The sad excuse they have for a water park is unbearable. This is a good addition, but it really needed to be combined with some speed slides and a lazy river. Right now there are FOUR SLIDES. Thats right, FOUR, and now there are FIVE. Whoopdy sh*t.
The fact that running two trains on Mind Eraser is a sin for them is something I've never understood. Better yet...SIX FLAGS DARIEN LAKE WILL HAVE THE DESIRE TO RUN 1 TRAIN ON PREDATOR BUT BE TO LAZY TO TAKE A TRAIN OFF. WHAT DO THEY DO? THEY LEAVE 2 TRAINS ON AND RUN ONE EMPTY WITH A FULL QUEUE.
Silver Bullet was closed all season long.
Can you possibly get any dumber?
And last but not least what is the deal with Six Flags switching over to Coca-Cola products? It used to be Pepsi, why did they change it?
I'm not going to run away and hide because I've not been victimized by these insults very much, but things get dragged on forever and it just isn't funny anymore. Some of the replies to that ocean comment just corrected it, but then people had to jump in and take cheap shots at the person who said it. That's not funny. That's cruel.
I don't hate it here, and if that's the impression you get, then I get to harsh in my rants. I am glad I found a site with humor, but that was getting too carried away and I wanted it to stop. I'm not going to back down from my opinion and make my umpteen-bazillionth apology because I don't think I did anything wrong. All I ask is that we quit taking cheap shots, and I don't think that's too much to ask. I really try to fit in, but I can't change myself into someone who has to join in the glorious sport of blasting people who make a statement that is asking for trouble. I have more self control than that. I can resist making a fool of someone.
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Coaster Playa, what more do I need to say? There is no potential for growth, SFDL is going to stay where it is, I think the best stat brought up so far was the percentage of area residents that attended the park (more than 40%) compared to figures in the teens for most parks, meaning, there is still 80% of the population out there that we could try to attract, but DL has already reached that maximum point one would think.
Casinos, Wizard of Oz's, SS towers -- none of that will turn the once popular destination around to the glory days of the 50s and 60s. *** Edited 12/7/2004 12:38:27 AM UTC by RamblinWreck***
I can show you a park who credits a Tornado, an enclosed family slide and other wet additions. In fact, they'll tell you so themselves.
-CO
NOTE: Severe fecal impaction may render the above words highly debatable.
Are you smoking something mad?? You are referring to the Ontario side, correct? Try reading this:
http://www.city.niagarafalls.on.ca/economicoutreach/developments/newdevelopments.html
It may look like a bunch of stats & words... but it shows you how the city of Niagara Falls is just making so much money, they don't have enough time to spend it all! They have sooo many projects planned, so many started, and so many completed. If only NF, USA had a mayor this smart & determined. Our USA mayor sits on their ass and says "hmmm, I'll give this hole in the ground 2 more years to see if they REALLY can come up with the funding to bring in an undergound aquarium"....
And this was since 1999 that this stupid hole in the ground stands!!
The tourism is already at 14.3 million visitors per year at the Falls, and is continuing to grow at an exponential rate because of all the new hotels & attractions growing in the area... I wouldn't exactly call it "glory days" when it's more popular now than ever.
A new 5 story Great Wolf Lodge with a 93,000sq foot indoor waterpark? A 1st class Ripley's Aquarium? The Marineland mega-aquarium complex? I think I'll take today's world vs. yesteryear!
Maybe for the nastagliasts (sp) who yern for the time when Niagara Falls was synomous for "waterfalls" and not casinos, hotels, & Clifton Hill.... but that's what evolution is, man. People yern for the glory days of Cedar Point... but change is good.
Niagara Falls is going EVERYWHERE, and fast... hotels now have a UNLIMITED maximum ceiling (so as long as they're less than 125' in width), and there's so many planned projects, it's silly
(just read the proposed projects in the link above)!
BUT... if you're referring to the USA side... then I take it part of it back because although it has gone basically nowhere... the casino did help, they're building a 25 story hotel, and have other small projects on the backburner... but the rest of the USA side still remains in the crapper, so I can't disagree with you if you're talking the USA side.
RamblinWreck said:
There is no potential for growth, SFDL is going to stay where it is, I think the best stat brought up so far was the percentage of area residents that attended the park (more than 40%) compared to figures in the teens for most parks, meaning, there is still 80% of the population out there that we could try to attract, but DL has already reached that maximum point one would think.
Ok that makes alot of sense.
40% of the attendence are the locals. Thats ALOT.
And obviously the locals know that this whole bad operation by SF no new rides in past years in combination with poor operation, I think that the locals are going less and less as a result.
By adding new rides they could open up a bigger market and bring the local # down and the outside # up.
That should be lower, and besides its not like SFDL is in a city.
You say "who cares what a bunch of local sfdl brats think" yet at the same time "40% of the attendence is from locals sfdl brats" doesn't that mean something?
DawgByte II said:
Horrendous leadership?
Are you smoking something mad?? You are referring to the Ontario side, correct? Try reading this:
http://www.city.niagarafalls.on.ca/economicoutreach/developments/newdevelopments.html
No, Im talking about the City of Niagara Falls NY, from the thug that they have in office now, to the dimwit that Elia was, to Gailee (I think thats how its spelled)... they have had only one good mayor in the past 20 years (OLaughlin). Everyone says that the city is going down hill, but no one wants to step up. They wont tell the public "look, we need money to get this city revitalized", no, they rather win reelection. A casino is nice, but it won't salvage the city. 10,000 people moved out of the city in the past 10 years, in fact, it doesn't even qualify as a city any more! What a difference from 50 years ago when the population was around 100,000 I think.
http://www.niagara-gazette.com/display_page1.asp
Look at this, even the mayor says that jobs need to be created (the REAL issue) and tourism is important. The falls are there, people will come, but they need to create jobs to keep the citizens from leaving (the industrial sector has taken a huge hit). Eh, the city is going no where, again, thats why I went away :)
Oh, I know that NF canada has had its share of problems, but they have made it nice enough to bring the people in. Plus, geography is on their side, which sucks but you cant do anything about that.
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