Thursday, July 14, 2005 12:29 AM
hey guys, I just came back from Cali, and on my visit there I got a chance to go to SFMM. The park looks so different from SFA (duh!).

I know its too early to make any calls or assumptions as to what to expect from SFA in 2006, but are there any innovations or clues?!

I dont hear the old rumor of a floorless coaster or of a junior coaster! What's up?!...... ;-)

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Thursday, July 14, 2005 2:42 AM
Well, let's look at some things first...

While I haven't seen the numbers to be sure this is true, SFA has appeared to be MUCH busier this year thn most any other year in the past. They are consistantly filling deep into the third parking lot on weekends and well into the second lot on all other days. The waterpark also seems to be a HUGE hit with the guests as almost every time I've been to Hurricane Harbor, it has been jam packed.

The main park has recieved a lot of attention this year as well. Two coasters recieved new paint jobs, Wild One's station got a nce overhaul with the reworking of the loading platform and all the new signs, PBR had some work done, Superman had all those electronic modifications to the trains, the RElaxation Station was added to Gotham City, as well as dozens of other changes, both large and small to numerous to mention.

That said, it is safe to say that SFI has spent an exceptional amount of money on SFA this year (exceptional when compared to the last few years at least). The next question is, were these changes that we're just now (signs in Wild One's station, Digital Charicature booth in Skull Island, etc) planned before the season because of the attendance slump we saw last year, or are they the outcome of a strong year so far this year. On that, will, SFI spend large amounts on SFA two years in a row, dispite how the park does in 2006? We already know that SFGAdv is getting a coaster next year even after getting Kingda Ka in 2005, but we're no SFGAdv (they pull in WELL over double the guests SFA does). So it's possible that SFA could get something in 2006, but I think that is based more on how SFI does as a whole and not how well SFA does individually.

Now to the important part, what might we be getting. Well, I can almost assure you that Joker's Jinx will have similar modifications to the station that Wild One and Superman have had already (removing the bar closest to the line selection area to open that area up). This information is coming from one of the heads of operation at the park. We could also see a few more paint jobs. Superman is beginning to fade and Batwing has an odd splotch look from touchups they've done in the past, both could be candidates for a paint job, or possibly Wild One. Many of the employees at SFA (including managers and heads of operation), are hopeful for the return of Witches Wheel (the Huss Enterprise). There IS still hope that this ride will return, but if it will be in 2006 is anyone's guess. Other buzz around the park is a "phase II" for Hurricane Harbor. If you noticed, they did almost no renovations (paint or the like) to the area where the lazy river is. Possible hopes/rumors include an expansion of the lazy river as well as another slide tower or two. The water park lacks any significant body slides, so possibly a "Hurricane Mountain" like at the former SFWOA or one of those tobogan race slides like they got at SFGAm. I can say that SFA will NOT get a Master Blaster type slide because the park feels like they are too low of capacity.

On that, I'd like to see a floorless coaster, but something more on the lines of Medusa East or West. I really wasn't a fan of Batman: the Dark Knight at SFNE. A nice long mine train coaster out through the wooded/hilly western portion of the property would be nice too. A spinning coaster (ala Pandamonium at SFNE) wouldalso be an acceptable addition.

But as of right now, the SFA rumors are pretty quiet so what they're getting in 2006 is still anyone's guess...


If you can't stand the heights, get out of the line.

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Thursday, July 14, 2005 8:54 AM
I can honestly tell you that they will be getting rollercoasters.A very good source told me this. Just wait, next year is going to be the year, I can see it already. *** Edited 7/14/2005 12:55:22 PM UTC by coasterniece***

CP was amazing, going back next June to ride Maverick

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Thursday, July 14, 2005 9:10 AM
An expansion (phase II) of the water park is needed badly. I think it is a safe assumption to say that last weekend 50% of the park guests were in Hurricane Harbor. At noon on Sunday they were out of lockers and rental rafts. I was surprised at the lack of water rides...like a "Swiss Family Tobaggan" or even body slides (both open and closed tube). A new, expanded lazy river (in ground, not above ground would be nice!!) with a "harbor" where people exiting the ride hand over their yellow raft to the next person waiting to ride...complete with water jets, water falls, etc that real water parks have!
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Thursday, July 14, 2005 9:28 AM
Mamoosh's avatar The answer is here:

http://club.coasterbuzz.com/2005-192-657052.htm

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Thursday, July 14, 2005 9:28 AM

Coaster Lover said:


Other buzz around the park is a "phase II" for Hurricane Harbor. If you noticed, they did almost no renovations (paint or the like) to the area where the lazy river is. Possible hopes/rumors include an expansion of the lazy river as well as another slide tower or two. The water park lacks any significant body slides, so possibly a "Hurricane Mountain" like at the former SFWOA or one of those tobogan race slides like they got at SFGAm.


Ditto.

SFA doesn't need a fallen short low hourly capacity coaster this time. I could only guess that our next coaster if not next year, but the future will be prob. a B&M coaster (most likely floorless). Also a junior coaster will also be a great addition for SFA.


I don't know ALL the Facts!!!!!!
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Thursday, July 14, 2005 10:26 AM
Umm.... Dosn't SFA already have a junior coaster? The Great Chase.

-Colin-


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Thursday, July 14, 2005 10:35 AM
rollergator's avatar But that's NOT a family coaster, it's a KID'S coaster...

My prediction: Some kind of mouse, or a M-S/Gerstlauer spinner...or some better flats, LOL! ;)

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Thursday, July 14, 2005 12:26 PM
My best guess is nothing major before 2007. Upgrades to meet the increased demand in the water park, and some minor renovations are probably all we will get in 2006. About the best I think we can hope for ride wise would be a new flat.
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Thursday, July 14, 2005 12:47 PM
A frisbee would be really nice.

CP was amazing, going back next June to ride Maverick

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Thursday, July 14, 2005 12:55 PM
rollergator's avatar LOL, getting a LOT of mileage out of this one "news-item post":

Quoth myself: ;)
"Not exactly sure where this message got lost in translation, so here goes again (to the parks): Your waterparks are HUGE draws, they make TONS of money. Rides are (relatively) inexpensive, but also have *terribly* low capacity...mostly due to safety constraints, totally understandable. What can YOU do to resolve the problem of long waits?

Build more waterpark rides, build them like there's no tomorrow, build them like they're going out of style, but BUILD lots of waterpark rides. Lazy rivers, not-so-lazy rivers, wavepools, speed slides, raft rides, tube chutes, EVERYTHING...the payoff is, well, it's a *TORRENT* of cash...."

SFGAm, SFA, Wild Adventures, Cypress, VisionLand, Geaugua, etc.,etc.....I'm looking at YOU! ;)


You still have Zoidberg.... You ALL have Zoidberg! (V) (;,,;) (V)

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Thursday, July 14, 2005 3:03 PM
How about some decent employees instead of adding new rides? I was so irritated that I left after five rides the other day. I actually yelled at a guy at Wild One who kept pushing the metal button at the back of the platform that kept making the incoming train stop. The park is absolutely being destroyed by some of the most pathetic, lazy, slow, could-care-less if there are guests in line, employees I've ever seen. It was so bad that I seriously contemplated never going back to the themepark side again. To give you a good example, when we were on Typhoon Seacoaster, there was a girl laying on her side at the second turntable. The usual suspects were either broken down (Iron Eagle), or broke down (Typhoon Seacoaster–which did reopen a little bit later). To show you how they pay attention to detail, The Octopus was listed as closed and it wasn't when I entered the park.

By the way, SFA has never owned a Huss Enterprise. Their Enterprise knockoff was made by some obscure German (I believe) company. It wasn't called Witches Wheel either–that's a ride at Cedar Point. Our imposter was called Sky Escaper.

palwine, you obviously don't get it. Read my comments to you in the other thread where you complained.

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Friday, July 15, 2005 9:14 AM
Oh, Intamin fan, I'm sorry I keep offending you by bashing SFA's sad water park. I'll keep my opinions to myself for now on, or ask you for permission before posting. Jeez, I feel like a guest on the O'reilly Factor.

My point about SFA's need for a bigger and better watrer park are obvious. Most of the people at SFA go to the water park. You can't move in there. No lockers. No rafts. No waves in the wave pool. I'm simply saying...they could make a ton more money by upgrading in Phase II. Do you agree with this statement or will you just refer me to your 2004 trip report for the "final word" from the self appointed industry expert?

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Friday, July 15, 2005 10:09 AM
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Intamin Fan said:
How about some decent employees instead of adding new rides? It was so bad that I seriously contemplated never going back to the themepark side again.
I haven't set foot in the park since late '03 for this very reason, and I owned a season pass since the park opened as Six Flags in 1999 to 2003. My wife just mentioned the other day that she has zero desire to go back until they add a new coaster. I kind of feel the same. While I love me some Wild One and S:RoS, I'd sooner travel three times the distance to any other park than SFA. I think I'd even prefer some more spine-adjusting rides on the William's Grove Cyclone, just because the atmosphere is nicer. *** Edited 7/15/2005 2:11:06 PM UTC by Vater***
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Friday, July 15, 2005 10:20 AM
I never called myself an industry expert, you did. You have to remember one thing--Six Flags America doesn't determine what gets built at Six Flags America--corporate does. The people who run SFA have been wanting a new waterpark for years on end. And gee, who got all the new slides in this time period? Times running out...I know it's unbelievable, but it was Six Flags New England! Let's see, also in that time period who got a brand new from scratch Hurricane Harbor? Could it be Six Flags Great Adventure? You've won our prize of the day.

You're not offending me, you're just simply really ignorant when it comes to how Six Flags is run. Had you been reading my comments elsewhere, you'd realize that I've said the same thing about getting a phase two since there's lots of expansion room. And, if we go into the wayback machine, you'd see that I was disappointed that we were only getting two new slides.

By the way, I have yet to go to Hurricane Harbor and not get a locker. This did however happen to me at a Cedar Fair park--Dorney Park to be exact. Wild Water Kingdom is like three times the size of HH, but yet they were all out of lockers by 11 a.m. We also had plenty of waves the other day when I was in the wavepool. *** Edited 7/15/2005 2:21:59 PM UTC by Intamin Fan***

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Friday, July 15, 2005 4:36 PM

coasterniece said:
I can honestly tell you that they will be getting rollercoasters.A very good source told me this. Just wait, next year is going to be the year, I can see it already. *** Edited 7/14/2005 12:55:22 PM UTC by coasterniece***

A very reliable source has told me the park has no idea what they will be getting next year if anything.


Intamin Fan said:
We also had plenty of waves the other day when I was in the wavepool.

I'm not sure who made the comment about the wave pool, but I believe I have a theory about Hurricane Bay's operating procedures and it's based on the number of lifeguards "guarding" at the time. When my wife and I were at the pool a week or two ago the waves first things in the morning were, shall we say, fewer. When things got a little busier around noon, they moved one lifeguard to the right stand (usually they start the day in the left) and added a second guard to the stand in the middle of the pool. After the 15 minute water break the waves seemed to have been cranked up from boring to fun.

Just my obeservation, I'll continue to watch and see if this pattern holds true.

... and yes, I favor a phase II expansion of the waterpark for 2006.


*** Edited 7/15/2005 8:51:49 PM UTC by coasterguts***


A day at the park is what you make it!

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Friday, July 15, 2005 5:59 PM
We will see, coasterguts. ;) Believe me.

CP was amazing, going back next June to ride Maverick

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Friday, July 15, 2005 10:26 PM
I believe that the park's employees are not going to get any better than this. They are mainly composed of Largo's kids, which are mostly hip hop. The managers and supervisors are the same, either from the area or just dont care about customer service. But, I am over the employee hating phase because all I care for is the experience on the ride. It truely depends on your mood that day you visit.

As far as rides for 2006, I hope to see something major regardless of the MAJOR improvement in paradise island. I hear little kids sayying that the rides at SFA sucks and that they are not scary or fun. Literally, getting on the rollercoasters at SFA is like driving on I-95 @ 55 mph, (well, at least for veteran visitors). I truely believe we are getting a new ride in 2006, probably not B&M (but Intamin or a flat).

...Meanwhile I wish this should happen, as a season pass holder I will enjoy other parks close by!===>SF NJ

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Friday, July 15, 2005 11:15 PM

SFAmerica said:
I believe that the park's employees are not going to get any better than this. They are mainly composed of Largo's kids, which are mostly hip hop. The managers and supervisors are the same, either from the area or just dont care about customer service.

What does hip hop have to do with customer service... explain? Then I will respond.


SFAmerica said:

I hear little kids sayying that the rides at SFA sucks and that they are not scary or fun. Literally, getting on the rollercoasters at SFA is like driving on I-95 @ 55 mph, (well, at least for veteran visitors). I truely believe we are getting a new ride in 2006, probably not B&M (but Intamin or a flat).


Obviously you said little kids, that means they are not tall enough to get on the major rides. If you think SFA rides suck, then why waste your time coming. Your wasting your time, not ours. Even though the coasters are cloned (except Wild One) I still find them all enjoyable. I'd like to see the kids build something, then we'll debate.

Also IMO don't see us getting another Intamin coaster anytime soon. Most likely a B&M (floorless). I say for 2006 look for a phase II for HH, IMO.


I don't know ALL the Facts!!!!!!
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Saturday, July 16, 2005 6:45 AM
In response to SF critic:

sorry, I call teens kids (and others that CAN ride)......hahaha. And hip-hop is referring to being ghetto, careless, live with hustling in their minds (making money) and forget the rest. I grew up in ghetto PG county and most of the kids including I were hip-hop yet it was not until I began college that I realize life is not all about money, being ruthless and street smart (ok, maybe 60%).

......But enough about me!

All I am saying is that most of these kids that make up literally a major park of SFA's attendence each day are local kids that attain season passes and get on the freak'n rides several times (+-4x/ride/visit) thus they get tired of it. However, these kids (I assume) enjoy these rides as well otherwise they would not get on these rolling carts. Just a thought....

-this park has been open for a LONG ass time (wild world, adventure world, SFA). We get tired of these rides cuz we 'abuse' the current rides then, and when new rides arrived we abused them (duh!). It seems to all balance out in regards to abusing new and old rides, and then you just get tired/bored of the park. In my case, I have even worked for SFA a year (2003) to attempt to regain excitement but as other employees...its not fun working there. There are many reasons why employees are the way they act and its ALL rational!

And dude, I NEVER said that SFA sucks, so get your story right. ;-) *** Edited 7/16/2005 10:53:20 AM UTC by SFAmerica***

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