Screamscape: PKD FOF Not Reopening?

But they're adding a Deja Vu? ;)

LOL, kidding! :)

The map on the PKD site is a 2005 season map.

Just keep in mind what parks are more successful right now... attendance wise, Paramount is doing very well. While PCW doesn't have any major or signature coasters, they ranked highest in seasonal parks for attendance.

Maybe Paramount knows exactly what they are doing, their priorities just happen to be different than ours in the coaster-enthusiast world.

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Rob Ascough said:
And it seems to me that there were better decisions that could have been made instead.

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Yeah, that's what the enthusiast community thinks, but they don't have access to the books, the research or the financial goals of the company. Moving the flyers, Stealth, whatever, isn't something they'd do without some strategic goal in mind.

Also relocating a ride is apparently just as difficult, if not moreso, than building a new one.

I am not familiar with such things, but I believe there are tax liabilities and logistical issues that a company faces when transferring product from one division to another. That coupled with actual dismantling, moving and re-assembly costs can raise the cost of relocation higher than a new install.

Shaggy

Dude, RCDB has many defunct coasters listed.

It's a database, No a park website.

Chuck

I'm sure there was some kind of bright thinking behind the relocation of Stealth but the removal of the scooters seemed to be a knee-jerk reaction to something (maybe the need for a new ride at Carowinds, I really don't know) and the removal of the antique cars seemed to be very short-sighted. A coaster was added but two other rides that were popular and added to the park's capacity were tossed aside. That doesn't make sense to me, especially when you consider both of those rides could be had for peanuts compared to the price of a highly-themed launch coaster.

I really wish people would get over the loss of the flyers at PKI. Big deal. Go ride Indiana Beach's. (/rant)

I know why they're removing FOF. PKD only has enough power to operate 3 launching coasters at once so in comes Italian Job and out goes FOF. (/sarcasm)

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It's still a big deal because it shows how short-sighted some business people can be.

Im almost possitive they aren't removing it from either park.

It was probably the most popular choice in one of the latest what would you like to see online polls the parks put out. A rock and roll themed lauched coaster.

Now lets face it. The whole ALIEN thing kinda died about 2001. But back in 1996-97 when the ride was being built, Little green men were everywhere. Bumper stickers, Puppets ect.

Thing Im wondering is who or what band it will be themed too, Who's music?

Chuck, who could see Paramount going generic and just comming up with something themselves that nobody knows.

Oh, And VIVE LE FLYER BOYCOTT!
You brought it up!

They should theme it to Alice Cooper, that would be cool.

I could see many changes and it could be really well done. The outer Q line could be like a backstage area where Some trucks and busses could be parked ect. Band and lighting equiptment all around.

The inner Q could have a soundstage with a warm up band. Maybe even sometimes having live entertainment of local bands *Heck, Sometimes your in the inner Q for 45 minutes)

The ride would be you taking the stage, with onboard music on the trains and a, And-ah one and ah two and ah three countdown to a rock and roll ride.

I've never been on Disneys but If they do it right, It could be really good. FOF always bothered me because it had al this themeing that basically most of it never worked. I think it was down to one strobe light out of 15 on the ship. The music in the Bowl was almost never on (Not that you could hear it well anyhow) and the entrance and exit sayings weren't on or working most of the time. The total package working was pretty darn neat.

We enjoyed our visit to your charming world, Now welcome to ours!

Chuck

A re-theme would make sense, especially given the capacity problems. Flight of Fear's preshow would have been perfect if they could have ever run the ride with four trains at its original rated capacity, but as it turns out with only two trains and long cycles, the pre-show is WAAAAAAY too short. A re-theme would be an opportunity to fix that little problem, among other things.

--Dave Althoff, Jr.

The capacity problem as I saw it (other than number of trains) was that the station platform sat HIGH up in relation to the train. I'm sure the ops LOVE stooping all the way down to try and check those restraints....the lap bars may have made the RIDE better, but I imagine the ops had an even harder time checking restraints after the retrofit...

Hire Oompa Loompas....?

please tell me this isnt true......please.....

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Rob Ascough said:
It's still a big deal because it shows how short-sighted some business people can be.

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Haven't we been through this over and over again? How is removing a ride that at best pushed a couple hundred people an hour short sighted? I think you're not looking at the bigger corporate picture, which matters more for the company than what a bunch of disgruntled enthusiasts who account for .001% of attendance think. I miss the ride too, but to say that PKI is worse off for it is something that I find totally ridiculous.

We'd be happy to trade Face Off for say, Volcano! :)

Hey!! You keep your dirty little paws off Volcano!!!! :)

Look at this logistically.When the flyers were removed from PKI was that ride all of a sudden removed from the list of attractions on the park's website beforehand?

I honestly don't think FOF is going anywhere,if paramount wanted another LIM launcher they'd order it from Premier rides rather than relocate a ten year old model...besides if you look at an older map from just a few years before volcano was added you'll see how it reads "future attraction" & of course that's what was added just two or three years later.

Stealth was relocated after only three years of operation,it was a maintenance nightmare & Carowinds seemed to benefit more from it while PGA got a new waterpark out of the deal.Relocating PKI's eagles was much different & easier than attempting to relocate a multi million dollar coaster so my verdict & interperetation of things is that PKD simply doesn't have the ride listed on their site right now for the same reason that SF doesn't list all major rides in any given park on it's respective site.

Now if FOF doesn't operate & they appear to be removing it then I'll start to worry but until then I'm not all that concerned about it going anywhere....then again after the late announcement for IJ:TC & it's subsequent name changes over the past few months nothing would be too suprising about this park anymore.

I'm betting that shockwave will go first before any other coaster is removed from the park & I'd rather see that piece of firewood known as hurler get the axe first.

Na, I now think we should get Volcano anyway without trading Face Off.

Sorry!

Premier totally did the electronics on Stealth in the move from PGA to PCAR and the ride runs much more reliably.

FOF is a pretty reliable ride now. It had it's problems years 1-3 but they've pretty much got it worked out.

Chuck