Scream So Far= Medusa east Mirror
Most clones aren't completely re-calculated.........but in Screams case they had to re-calculate the stats since they had to compress the layout for SFMM site. Even you haven't noticed Scream elements like the Cobra roll and Interlocking corkscrews are in a completely different place then Medusa East. On Scream the Cobra roll is damn near right outside the station and the interlocking corks don't go out near bout as far as they do on Medusa east. Also for the one that said the drop is just like Medusa East your wrong, the drop is way steeper and a hell of alot more banked, the drop is just like B:KF. The layout is in other compressed which should make for a very intense floorless, the zero g looks so sweet I can't wait for that part.
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ApolloAndy said:
I don't think that's really fair EV. At least for me, the reason I'm not a big fan of clones is because, in many cases, I've already ridden it and in this case in particular, many times. I don't think that Medusa E. is "my little secret" and I'm glad that others enjoy the ride as much as I do. But next time I go to SFMM, instead of having something new to ride (like a custom floorless), I'll have something old to ride.Is whether it's the right more for the park even up for discussion? I think it's pretty obvious that it is. On the other hand, that doesn't make me any less disappointed that it's not custom.
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Okay, then let me add this, assume that SFMM *had* gotten a custom layout. You go, ride it once and are happy with the ride. The *next* time you got to SFMM do you *not* ride the coaster because now "you've already ridden it"? Of course not, that would be absurd. Even you yourself have admitted that you've ridden Medusa many times. Obviously the enjoyment of the ride was high enough that rode it several times. Would you expect anything less from Scream!?
Now, if you're saying that a so-called cloned ride would not influence you to travel to a distant park if you have the same ride nearby, I could agree with you there. If they put a Wild One clone in BGT, I would be no more inclined to visit there than I am now. But if BGT were putting in a Wild One clone, it would not be to entice me anyway, it would be to get rollergator to stop crying about the "B&M showroom" and make him happy enough to buy ice cream.
But I for one *am* happy about clones, good and otherwise. If a far away park has clones of rides I have @ home (figuratively speaking, I of course have no ride in my house ;)) then I can refrain from those rides an seek out those other experiences. AT THE SAME TIME, the locals will be drawn to this ride I care nothing about and thus *not* be in the lines I want to be in. On the flipside, if Clonificus (god of clone warfare) brings other interesting, yet cloned rides like S:UF, S:ROS, Batwing, JJ, to within a day's drive of me, I've just recieved the benefit of having great experiences, without a great outpouring of funds.
I think I am a minority (surprise, suprise) in my mindset that coaster riding is NOT a conquest. I'm lazy (and cheap). I would *much* prefer that the mountain came to Mohammad rather than Mohammad.
lata, jeremy
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etc. etc.
It's more compressed, yet has 15' more track and the same elements in the same order. Hrm....that track has to go somewhere. Does it have an extra element or something?
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*** This post was edited by ApolloAndy 2/27/2003 3:30:02 PM ***
2Hostyl said: etc.
Being an "Ooooh shiny"* kind of guy, I like a little novelty every now and then. (Fine, I actually need all kinds of novelty all the time. In fact, I'm already bored of coasters. Who wants to try drag racing?) A new custom is a new possible experience while a new clone, while good, is the same experience I've already had.
From the selfish entusiast(ass?) perspective a clone seems like such a waste of steel and money. Of course, from the park's perspective it's exactly the opposite.
*Final Fantasy fans may want to check out www.nuklearpower.com which is where I am referencing this from.
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"It was like that when I got here."
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ApolloAndy said:
CoasterXfreak said:etc. etc.
It's more compressed, yet has 15' more track and the same elements in the same order. Hrm....that track has to go somewhere. Does it have an extra element or something?
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*** This post was edited by ApolloAndy 2/27/2003 3:30:02 PM ***
Well for one Scream is 8 feet taller and maybe the other 6 is for the below ground Dive loop. SFMM website also list Scream as 4000+ feet and having an overbanked turn and turn speed hills so who knows. All I know if you compare Medusa East site with the Scream site you can clearly see Scream is way more compact.
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*** This post was edited by CoasterXfreak 2/27/2003 4:08:02 PM ***
They should have cloned SupermanKC and built a Hotel for the quarry wall.
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ApolloAndy said:
Being an "Ooooh shiny"* kind of guy, I like a little novelty every now and then. (Fine, I actually need all kinds of novelty all the time. In fact, I'm already bored of coasters. Who wants to try drag racing?) A new custom is a new possible experience while a new clone, while good, is the same experience I've already had.
From the selfish entusiast(ass?) perspective a clone seems like such a waste of steel and money. Of course, from the park's perspective it's exactly the opposite.
We are all "Oooh Shiny" people, really. I mean, who doesn't like a new custom design? I know I LOVE a custom design. However, the point is that a clone is good for business. Plain and simple. I look at a cloned coaster as a way to bring in people to the park and for the park to make more money. More money equals more rides. (usually) More rides equals more coasters. (hopefully ;)) This is a perfectly sound business decision for SFMM to make, seeing as how it's a proven design and it's cost-effective. As cost effective as a B&M coaster can be I guess... ;)That's my two cents. I understand the enthusiass point-of-view, but why complain about a clone? So you've already had the experience...big deal. You haven't ridden this one, even though it's essentially the same thing. It's a new coaster to add to your coaster count, and it should be a great ride.
Justin "Is it Solace Saturday yet?" Adams ;)
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This is still mostly in response to the stuff on the first page. This page actually contains a seemingly civilized exchange of ideas (gasp).
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Coasterman J, you hit it on the nail, if Scream pays for something really cool like an Intamin plug & play, I'm all for that. ;)
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BKF reminded me a lot of Kumba with its intensity and that first drop can be pretty darn cool in the back right.
If you really want a case in point though, look at the inverts. A custom invert is a TOTALLY different experience from a cloned. Raptor, Montu, Alpie, Talon, Great Bear all give totally different rides.
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Be polite and ignore the idiots. - rollergator
"It was like that when I got here."
"faster, cheaper, and more often" that's somebody's new sig -UpsideDawnGrrrl
I agree though that BKF was something a bit different, and the best of the ones I've ridden. Kraken, with the exception of the theming, felt almost *too* Medusa-like, and much tamer. Superman, the other attempt at something different, quite honestly, when I closed my eyes, felt almost exactly like Medusa-west.
Not that I mind, because I love the rides. But to me, with floorless coasters, you get the B&M equivalent of an Arrow looper. You know pretty much what your getting, with very few surprises.
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"Oh tell me why, do we build castles in the sky, oh tell me why, all the castles way up high".
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Moosh
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Be polite and ignore the idiots. - rollergator
"It was like that when I got here."
"faster, cheaper, and more often" that's somebody's new sig -UpsideDawnGrrrl
ApolloAndy said:
I'm not complaining. I'm am just defending those who "clone-bash" because I think they have a perfectly valid point. I am excited that SFMM added another ride to their already stellar line-up (and that the lines for X will be shorter now ;)), but I do think that a lot of the "clone-basher-bashers" are just as, if not more closed minded than the clone bashers.This is still mostly in response to the stuff on the first page. This page actually contains a seemingly civilized exchange of ideas (gasp).
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Be polite and ignore the idiots. - rollergator
"It was like that when I got here."
"faster, cheaper, and more often" that's somebody's new sig -UpsideDawnGrrrl
I want to follow up on this, how do you feel the "clone-basher-bashers" are more closed minded. I'm interested in hearing the basis of this theory.
And I can honestly say that each floorless I rode (B:KF, Kraken, Medusa-E, S:KC) all had different nuances that caused my reactionto each to be slightly different (with S:KC being the one I preferred, but unless you find a cliff, a clone just wouldnt be the same :))
lata, jeremy
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JD said:
moosh i believe the one you speak of is another 'modified clone'... i think it's layed out the same but either its a bit more compact or raptor is... i can never seem to remember.
Looks the same to me. The stats are different, according to rcdb.com, but I'm usually skeptical about slight variations in stats on that site when we're talking about clones. After all, it lists 3 of the B:TR clones as having a track length of 2693', while the other 3 are 2700'. Are half the clones really 7 feet shorter than the other half? I highly doubt it.
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Take a ride...
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