actually, I guess we need to define "little kids". Most "Little Kids" who line jump are with "bigger kids" or adults. Now that I think of it... I have never seen a group of truely "little kids" jumping...
What I meant by the principle of the thing... I don't care if it is just one person.... bottom line is: You don't line jump. If you are not there when your friends get in line, you either wait and ride separately, or have them fall back in line to meet you. You don't jump a head of people. I have seen where 2 people were in line, and 6 or 7 more try to push their way forward... "We have to get up with our group". Sorry, have the two up front drop back... not all 6 or 7 push ahead.
Then there are those who say. "So what if one person jumps... your wait is a minute or two longer." Yes, but if everyone takes that attitude... you wait is 1, 2, 3, 5, 25, 38, 42 etc longer.
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Kind of hard to take a post as objective if a park or coaster name is part of the "user name"
3. Warning, I agree with the stamp thing.
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Do you bleed Blue?
'Yes, but if everyone takes that attitude'
The beauty of it is that everyone will *not* take that attitude, so I can rest assured that there is no need to let the two or three out of every hundred that do take that attitde to ruin my day.
2) it is only acceptable when your've got a granny or some slow person in front of you
3) Should be kicked out of line, but not out of the park. i sorta agree with the stamp thingy, but that can be rubbed out...
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Colossus [1]
Nemesis: Inferno [6]
2). Yes
3). Yes, I hate it when people line jump, they ruin it for other guests, so they deserve to get thrown out.
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Shockwave @ SFGAm R.I.P 1988-2002
Top 5 Coasters at SFGAm 1)S:UF 2)RB 3) DV 4)V2 5)Viper
Total number of coasters ridden=43
I finally thought of an apt example. When the interstate is backed up because of a closed lane, there's always those IDIOTS who zip right up to the merging point (even if traffic is backed up for miles), and then turn on their signal, expecting someone to let them in.
The kicker is, SOMEONE ALWAYS LETS THEM IN. That's why they keep doing it. If they had to sit there for 10 minutes before someone let them in, maybe they'd think twice next time.
Thus, I conclude that yelling at line-jumpers is the thing to do. You might do the line-jumper some good (see my story on the first page of this thread... I still remember someone yelling at me 10 years ago, and still regret it).
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A day is a drop of water in the ocean of eternity. A week is seven drops.
I think that was worthy of my 100th post. :-)
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This place would be be a nightmare for midgets.
My girlfriend and I talk discuss (argue) about this from time to time. She is convinced as you are and so was I at one time. It wasnt until I read it explained in this matter that I changed my mind.
The funny thing about your supposed 'punishment' is that, in the end, you ALWAYS have to wait for someone to "let you in" whether it is at the merge point or 1/2 a mile before the merge. I'd actually argue that merging at the last moment would be more orderly because everyone could take turns.
lata, jeremy
--who would really like to see someone do a study on this, perhaps with computer modeling
2Hostyl said:And for the record, RollerJunkie, I dont know you, and I dont know your motivations for line jumping. You dont know me, and you dont know my situations. Let's just stay separate, okay? If you cannot defend yourself without me, perhaps you need to rethink your position in this discussion.
lata, jeremy
--who freely admitts to being a hypocrtical, selfish, heartless, pontificating bastard :) (why people still like me I dunno)
I don't know about your mind, but in my mind, we are seperate. Just because I made a reference to you in a post, doesn't mean we're best buds. So please, don't flatter yourself.
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Tales for the L33t
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A day is a drop of water in the ocean of eternity. A week is seven drops.
1) You broke the rules just then in your situation. Whether you talked to a security guard or not, you broke the stated policy. The policy stated "no matter what the reason". They may have "let you slide", but do not be fooled, you broke the rule.
Mmm.. No. I *bent* the rules with the help of the people who are there to enforce the rules. There is a very important difference.
By the way in your pursuit of honesty don't forget about integrety. *thumbs up* ;)
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Kevin Stone
NoLimits Roller Coaster Simulator
http://www.nolimitscoaster.de
UK NeMeSiS said:
2) it is only acceptable when your've got a granny or some slow person in front of you
Just because a person is slow doesn't make it right to cut them in a line. They were still there first and should remain ahead of you. And theres not many rides at amusement parks that old people can ride anyways.
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"Here's my ten cence, my two cence is free"-Eminem
Robocoaster said:
Kick them out, yes, but give them their money back. If they have a season pass, do not 86 them permanently unless there is a repeat violation. But get them out of the park on the first offense.
Late reply, but there's no way this will work. If parks refunded my money when I get kicked out for line jumping, I'd behave myself most of the day, and when I was ready to leave the park, I'd go line jump directly in front of a guard somewhere, admit my guilt, and get my admission back. Free park admission!! Just wouldn't work, there are too many dishonest people in the world...
As for my views:
1) Nope, never cut, with the caveat of my #2
2) I have no problem with someone catching up with friends. I've had the rare occasion in a long line of having to head off to the restroom, and I expect that no-one will get too bent out of shape if I leave the line, then head back to my friends. Also, I've found that vending machines/food carts where I want to buy water, sometimes, take so long that the line keeps on moving without you. I fully expect that any normal person will be just fine with me going back up to meet my friends when I'm done purchasing my refreshment. I've waited just as long as anyone else, I just didn't happen to be standing in the exact place.
I have never just gone into a line and cut, though, and in some cases when I was about 20 people behind my friends, I actually *did* ask permission of everyone I went around.
3) Kick 'em out. A rule like no line-jumping is useless without some sort of consequence. If you send 'em to the back of the line, they'll just try to either cut in the same line or a different one. It's really no big deal to get sent back if you didn't really wait in the first place, so what's the drawback to cutting? If you warn 'em, they'll just find a line with different employees at it. Kick 'em out...if you're faced with losing your $40 admission because you didn't want to wait in line, you might be a little less likely to try cutting.
It is rarely "little kids" that cut - those that do, if you just say "hey" to them, they get this sheepish look on their face and return to their place in line. And in most cases, that's the last time they'll probably cut. It's the punks that DO think they're better than the rest of the world and can't understand why these uncool people that they are obviously superior to are causing them to wait in line longer. Those are the ones that I'd love to see get kicked out every time because those are the ones I love to see get put in their place and reminded that although you don't have to be a sheep, you aren't above the rules.
And on the topic of traffic, Jeremy is right, there are many studies and computer models that show that is the way merges are supposed to work. Heck, most merge signs say "use both lanes to merge point", and that's how traffic capacity is modeled. But, when the entire line has basically "agreed" to merge about 500 feet prior to the merge, and one a-hole decides that he can't wait 30 extra seconds and goes up to the barrels or the barrier and puts his turn signal on, *that* is what causes all sorts of problems. That's what causes stops at merges (not slowdowns, stops), that's what causes wrecks, and that's what causes road rage (known from personal experience - I've been known to dangle just enough space for someone like that, then gas it just to take it away at the last second - and that gives me so much enjoyment you wouldn't believe!).
And sorry Jeremy for mis-interpreting your post. Been a long day, and when I read it it just set me off (especially cause you seem to be one of the more respected members of this board) and I didn't bother to re-read.
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"As soon as you design something that's idiot-proof, the world will go and design a better idiot."
--Brett
2). I think it's wrong if you just go, when someone isn't watching, and you just cut in front of them.
3). I don't think so because you pay good money and you want to catch up with your friends or family, but on the other hand, if you just do it on spite, then you sould get one more chance, get kicked out the line, or even worst, out the park without a refund.
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Holla at your boy!
I'm not just about roller coasters and parks.
*** This post was edited by Anonymous16 6/17/2003 9:55:24 PM ***
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Do you bleed Blue?
2) Yes.
3) Depends on the situation. I don't go for the "Rules are Rules and that's that" attitude. Rules are not meant to be broken, but that doesn't mean that there aren't exceptions to every rule. Do I approve of Line Jumping? Absolutely not. Do I do everything in my power to try and stop it? Usually. Depends on what kind of mood I am in. If it's one person, I'm more apt to let it slide than if it's 15. If the offenders are beligerant, I tend to speak up. On the two times I've confronted people this year about it, they were actually understanding, which was cool. If they're jerks about it, I'll let the nearest ride op know. If I'm close to the start of a line, I'll let it go more often than if I'm at the end. Like I said, it kind of depends on the situation. I guess the one thing that really gets me frustrated is the FastLane/Pass... (Insert whatever name you wish here). But this isn't the time or place for that topic.
D8
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"Welcome to Wisconsin... Illinois' Largest State Park."
I don't like the simple thing if you are some sort of local celebrity that you get special treatment. I could care less if you are the Queen of England or Pres. Bush or some overpaid athlete....you breathe the same air I do, you pay for the same things I do, you wait in the smae line I do...
Its not that hard a concept to grasp.
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WW is fun. CP_M @ TN and Perfectbowler @ SFN.
a.) Complain to park information that I was having a bad day or that an employee disrespected me (neither true), which then they gave me line skipping passes.
Alright, I'm sorry, but this is downright lousy. Have you ever worked at a park or ran a ride? I assume not. Let me tell you something. For the most part, when you are running a ride you are busting your ass so that you can give people the best experience possible. If someone gets upset with you, then you feel awful, because it feels like you are trying your best and still failing. What you are doing Rollerjunkie, exploiting some operator and complaining about them so that you can 'intelligently line cut' is not as harmless you think. If a compaint is made against an operator, the guest relations office relays the information to the ride supervisors who then discipline the ride operator for being rude to the guest. The ride operators are then confused, wondering who they made mad and what they did, and their confidence is ruined as is the rest of their day. I hope that this is worth your line cutting. I usually am not this outspoken, but as a ride operator, I really feel that you must be brought down off of your imaginary pedestal of innocence. When you say "I just don't feel like waiting 100 minutes", you are making yourself better then everyone else, because they are waiting 100 minutes. Welcome to reality.
On a different note, I would like to address the attacks that have been made upon those whose disabilities allpow them to access the line through the exit. At the park I work at, these people approach the ride operator with a slip of paper, upon which the operator writes a time for them to come back to the ride according to the length of the line. In this system, the disabled person and the rest of their party (up to four people total) are allowed to bypass the physical line, but not the wait. Like a fastpass, there can only be one 'active' ride on the sheet at one time. This IMO is a fair system. I work at a Six Flags park, but I can only imagine that Cedar Fair parks and other chains have similar systems. I just wanted to clarify that if the operators are doing their jobs correctly, disabled people coming up the exit is a fair system.
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"Every day is a bad day on Hollywood and Vine!"
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