2. Yes.
3. Yes, the park can do whatever they want to them.
*** This post was edited by keg5651 6/18/2003 11:55:31 AM ***
Phyter: You are wrong, most parks state that leaving the line FOR ANY REASON is considered line jumping. But dont take my word for it, read it yourself from Cedar Point
You're the one breaking the rules now you're quoting them to me. That's great! LOL
You don't understand the power of honesty. I guarentee you if you bring your needs to the attention of the security guard and/or the employees tending the line then they *will* allow you to temporarily exit the queue to do such things as put a bag in a locker, or take a bathroom break, or get a drink of water. I know becuase as I said I've been in that situation and was allowed to do so at Cedar Point.
If the exit and reentrance is done "sneakily" or without any thought given to the employees tending the line then you're going to get in trouble. As well you should.
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Kevin Stone
NoLimits Roller Coaster Simulator
http://www.nolimitscoaster.de
1. I never said I've gone to the front of the line.
2. Never said it was everytime I go to a park.
3. Never said I actually *did* cut in front of "old ladies and families at the department and grocery stores, no matter what the line size".
4. I gave no indication of my feelings of remorse or lack thereof.
Please do not characterize me by attributing to me things I did not say. I say plenty of things explictly that you can feel free to shred to pieces.
And DEK, I just dont understand how you can not picture any "need" to leave a park line in the same light as a "need" to leave a grocery line for a loaf of bread. Especially when parks will literally PLACE the food stalls in the middle of the lines. (See Pretzel stand in line for American Eagle @ Great America, soda machines in line for Millennium Force @ Cedar Point). When these people are getting their items would you be as willing to deem them as "out of the line"?
And the thinly veiled threat (or is it a promise) of me getting kicked out is no worry to me. I have no problem with accepting the consequences of any actions I may or may not take. But I applaud you all for your strick adherence to all posted rules and regulations. You are far more diligent than I. But I to will "agree to disagree".
As for the "gaps" thing, that's just mularky. Sometimes people just do not want to stand right on top of other people. As Chern said, I invite *anyone* to show that by not filling the gap the wait time is effected in any way. But, at any park you go to, you can see people snapping their fingers and all sorts of things to get people to move up. (Slightly understandable if we are talking about moving into shade :))
lata, jeremy
--"Simple and Clean is the way that you're making me feel tonight"
2Hostyl said:
And redman (and by extension phyter too) why even bring up the issue of how long the wait is? Be honest! You'd be upset with line jumping at the parks even if the line were only 10-15 minutes (a time length comparable with a moderately busy supermarket). I *know* you will not cop to line jumping as being "okay" if the line is short, so there is really no reason to bring up the time thing.
If lines are only 15 minutes, the odds of someone actually wanting to linejump are infinitesimal. Besides if the lines were to be that short and someone tried to linejump, odds are the ride ops would/could see them.
Also, to throw another "torch" into this fire, do you believe it is OK to smoke in line? There are strict rules and signs about not smoking in line...I DARE anyone tell me it's not that big of a deal. My wife has severe allergies to cigarette smoke and if we are in an area where smoking is not allowed (such as ride queues) I will MAKE that person put it out.
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---Currency tracking experiment... http://www.wheresgeorge.com (Referring to The "George" on the $1 bill - Not Me)
*** This post was edited by redman822 6/17/2003 3:08:00 PM ***
DEK said:To RollerJunkie, you said:
I don't call that intelligent; I call it slimy, sleezy, underhanded, dirty, etc., etc., etc. But call it what you want, it's still line jumping and you should be kicked out.
Oh, and don't try your 1.D if I'm in line. I WON'T let you pass. I'll just tell you to have your friends come back to join you. I've done it many times before and I'll continue to do it. It's the oldest, and worst, line jumping trick. I especially like the shocked looks on people's faces when they realize I'm serious and I have no intention of letting them pass.
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Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein
Sheesh, no need to act like I was directly trying to offend you. I realize that it's sleazy, dirty, slimey, etc., etc., etc. But you can't call me dishonest when I'm answering this thread truthfully.
On the rare occasion that I do line skip, I will always do it in a way that doesn't offend any other guests. They must never know of what I'm doing, and if an opportunity comes up where I can rudely line skip, I will never do it.
I'm with all of you who think line skipping is wrong... but when I'm at a park like IOA where there's 100+ minute waits for Spiderman, I just don't feel like waiting that long, especially if I want to hit all the rides. That's just me, maybe people like you, DEK, do have the time and patience to wait that long. But you can't get angry at me and 2Hostyl for our actions. Anyway, I'll say it again.. I never have intentions of thinking I'm "more important" than other guests, I line skip in an inadverdent and unoffending way.
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And the thinly veiled threat (or is it a promise) of me getting kicked out is no worry to me.
The threat is not "thinly veiled". It is printed in bold letters 50 feet high. And the fact that it doesn't worry you is exactly what prompts people like us to question your emotional state.
If your urges to do wrong are not controled by regret, embarasment, or remorse then there is something seriously wrong.
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Kevin Stone
NoLimits Roller Coaster Simulator
http://www.nolimitscoaster.de
2. Uh, yes.
3. I say, dont let the door hit you in the "butt" on the way out.
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Summer Trip 2003: 5 Weeks, 26 Amusement Parks, 5 Baseball Games.
By sneaking past them and alleging you were there the entire time? By taking advantage of the fact that 99% of the people are sheep and will take whatever crap you give them?
Meanwhile, either way they may not be outright to you with their displeasure, but it does and will affect the entire park's image with regards to non-enforcement of the rules. And, as such, it could affect how much they enjoy their day. Either way, a customer who is affected as such would buy less souvenirs or even how often they visit the park and buy those $30-40 day tickets, which in the end reduces the amount of money the parks make and, consequently, what improvements the park can make.
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--George H
---Currency tracking experiment... http://www.wheresgeorge.com (Referring to The "George" on the $1 bill - Not Me)
*** This post was edited by redman822 6/17/2003 3:16:15 PM ***
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*** This post was edited by RollerJunkie 6/17/2003 3:28:06 PM ***
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I WILL marry The Legend. Please only refer to me now as Mrs. Legend.
2Hostyl:
Diligent? It's not diligence it's common courtesy! The queues are there so everyone gets a chance to ride not just for looks.
When I get in any line be it at a park, a store, or wherever, and I'm guest #10 I expect to be #10 from the time I enter the line until I the time I leave. If someone comes along and cuts in front of me I'm not #10 anymore. I'm #11 or #20 or ???
Given enough people cutting in front of me I may never get on the ride, or check out at the grocery store, or pay for my new hammer at Sears. Of course, that's very unlikely to happen but if there's 100 people in front of me and 10 people cut in I now have to wait that much longer. And then I feel that these people think they're above the rules and better than everyone else.
How would all those people that run to be the first on M.F. feel if I came along and just cut in front of them because I decided to walk instead of breaking another rule by running. they'd be saying "Hey, I just ran my a-- of and you have no right to cut in front of me. I was here first."
And a "need" to leave a line? When it comes to parks, sorry, I don't see a need. And, like I said, I was using the line analogy in it's basic form.
Now, going back to the original question, line jumping is wrong. And if you get caught you should be kicked out of the park. IMHO :)
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Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein
And I disagree with the 10-15 minute assement. People will want to link up with their friends even if their friends are only a few people ahead and the line is short. It rarely actually passes thru their minds to let people ahead to move *backwards* thru the line to meet the tardy friend.
Phyter:
1) You broke the rules just then in your situation. Whether you talked to a security guard or not, you broke the stated policy. The policy stated "no matter what the reason". They may have "let you slide", but do not be fooled, you broke the rule.
2) I quote the rules because I know them. If I choose to ignore/disregard them, that is my choice. I know what the consequences are and factor that in accordingly.
3) I appreciate your concern for my "emotional state", but I'd rather keep that as a matter for myself and any counsel that I see fit. Though I will keep you in mind in the case that I desire an alternate assement.
And for the record, RollerJunkie, I dont know you, and I dont know your motivations for line jumping. You dont know me, and you dont know my situations. Let's just stay separate, okay? If you cannot defend yourself without me, perhaps you need to rethink your position in this discussion.
lata, jeremy
--who freely admitts to being a hypocrtical, selfish, heartless, pontificating bastard :) (why people still like me I dunno)
"If lines are only 15 minutes, the odds of someone actually wanting to linejump are infinitesimal. Besides if the lines were to be that short and someone tried to linejump, odds are the ride ops would/could see them."
Actually, two of the funniest things I saw concerning line jumping came with less than 15 minute lines.
1) Kennywood's Thunderbolt: Some late teens / twenty somethings decided that they didn't have to wait in line because "their friends" were already boarding the coaster. They pushed through the 20 person line saying "I gotta get to my friend". They got into the station alright, and were quickly turned away by the employee at the top of the ramp. When they started wondering "who ratted on us... who ratted on us" (even though it was painfully obvious to everyone there, including the employee what they were doing), she asked them to go to the back of the 20 person line one more time or else she would call security. Funny thing is... after we rode and got out of the train, these people who felt the need to line jump and face the threat of security, were on the very next train.
2) Knoebels Flyers (of all places). It was a fairly busy day and the line was the whole way through the queue. My wife and I were surprised to see about four 13 or so year old kids push their way past around 7 or 8 people before stopping. No one did anything. The op didn't say anything to them... They waited two ride cycles, and when they went to get on the third, the op diverted them to the exit, mentioning that he saw them push past several people and if they wanted to ride, they could go to the end of the line and wait like everyone else. Not only did this a) waist their time by having them stand in line for those two cycles, only to be forced to go back and wait for probably 3 more, it b) embarassed them in front of the entire line (a mortal sin to 13 year olds).
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Kind of hard to take a post as objective if a park or coaster name is part of the "user name"
How much time do those ten kids add to my wait? Thirty seconds. Big deal.
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Kind of hard to take a post as objective if a park or coaster name is part of the "user name"
No, it's not the principle of the thing. It shouldn't matter - big kids, little kids, kids who climb on rocks. Everyone sing along. :)
It's common courtesy people. You wait your turn. Why is this rocket science? It's wrong to cut in line. It's wrong to run in the park. It's wrong to throw things from the rides. There's a list of rule and breaking them has consequences.
I don't understand people trying to justify rule-breaking.
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Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein
*** This post was edited by DEK 6/17/2003 4:49:50 PM ***
And chris, A-FREAKING-MEN!!!!!!!!!! So what if two people get in line in front of you. Your wait time still seems the same. You don't feel any worse(if you don't think about it constantly like a dork). Maybe they wont even get in the same train seat line as you. Maybe they'll get in one of the other 12 station queues.Then your wait would increase....(gasp) NOTHING!!! I'll only say man those guys just broke in front of us...oh well , if more than three get in front. You people need to realize that you'll be happier if you just don't care(though I guess it would give you a sense of self-acomplishment if you got them kicked off the ride).Now....Whew. Glad I got that out.
That's still my 1.9 + .1 cents . Not all yours'.
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This place would be be a nightmare for midgets.
Is the extra thirty seconds added on to my wait time enough to raise my blood pressure? No.
Would I feel vindicated or empowered by ruining some thirteen year old's day because he made me wait an extra two minutes? No.
I go to parks to escape the real problems that day to day life presents, not to create a fuss.
That's just my personal opinion.
thepinkdoomofmonkeys said:
You people need to realize that you'll be happier if you just don't care
I follow the rules and am usually quite content with my amusement park experiences. It stands to reason then, that these people who cut in line could stay put and be respectful of others and have just as much fun. They're not better than me and I expect that they recognize and respect that by waiting their turn just like every other person. 10 seconds, 10 minutes, 2 hours. . . the time involved is irrelevant when it's the principle that matters.
I try to think of discouraging line-cutting as spreading love. It's obvious to me that these folks feel like they're lost in the system as anonymous drones without identity that go unnoticed by everyone. By pointing them out and giving them a little extra attention, I'm saving them from that horrible fate at the hands of The Man. I give them meaning in their life. :)
Apathy sucks.
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--Maddie--
What do I Listen-To?
2 - Yes it is wrong, plain and simple
3. YES because techniclly they are ruining your day and enjoyment. Its just not nice to see people constantly line skipping while you are queueing normally, Why should they be made to feel special.
Incidently, who here can think of a park that does a good job on catching line jumpers. One that comes to mind is Cedar Point. Why when I went 2 years ago. I saw security guards constantly patrol and view the line for Magnum,Raptor and MF and it was great, made you feel quite safe too. Also while queueing for Raptor, 2 girls a little bit behin me had enough of queueing and decided to push in front of a few people(Big Mistake) because a security guard immediatly saw them, took them out of the queue, gave them a warning and told them to go to the back of the queue. Nice job CP :)
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