Poll: Line Skipping
2. Now that I Really think about it , I dont care if someone gets in front because if I've waited 30 minutes what's another 30 seconds(or nothing)?
3.NO! If someone paid 30 bucks to get in the park , they should only be kicked out if they do it more than once.
That's my 1.9 +.1 cents , not yours.
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2) I think it is very wrong. What gets me mad is when people skip very long lines and get away with it. Example: I go to SFGAm for opening day and get there at like 8:30 to ride Superman. After being let in I wait in the line untill 10 as expected. But at about 2 minutes to 10, two guys come over and act like they're talking to someone and asking about the ride and the line. Then when the line starts moving, they just slip in and walk in. I waited to get in and ran over to the line, and then they come strolling up a couple minutes before it opens and get to ride it before me. That's what gets me mad.
3) Kicking out of the park is a little harsh. In the right situations though, definitely.
2.Yes it's wrong, and horribly annoying, it is fun catching the people who are doing it and forcing them to stay put.
3.Warning the first time, kicked out the second time.
Evil Zucchini said:
Perhaps someone can fill me in on this; when I was at CP last month, I was waiting in line for MF with my friends. There was a small group of girls (who appeared to be in early high school) right behind us. Almost the entire time in line, there were a few security officers who almost seemed to be following us, and of course, this made me nervous even though we had done nothing wrong. However,my one friend swears that he overheard the girls talking about how they were the ones being followed. He couldn't catch the entire conversation, so we don't know what they had done. This happened in the first queue section, before the Pepsi machines. They were allowed to continue in line and ride. Now, were they being followed because they wer line skippers? Or did they do something worse, like shoplift from one of the stores? And if they were line skippers, why would they be allowed to ride, and not be pulled out immediately, since we were still relatively near the entrance? Hopefully someone has had an experience like this and can shed some light on it, since every once in a while they return to the conversation from that trip.
Hmm.. I've never heard of this. But I do think it a little strange that people would be on "parole" in a theme park.
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Tales for the L33t
Of course it's wrong. But some parks definition of line jumping is too strict. If you go to the bathroom right before getting in line for X, TTD, or the Next Big Thing, and during the course of your 4 hr wait you need to go again, getting back in line should not be considered line jumping. However some parks' policies indeed say they do not allow it, though I've never seen a case such as that enforced.
Kick them out, yes, but give them their money back. If they have a season pass, do not 86 them permanently unless there is a repeat violation. But get them out of the park on the first offense.
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I have to say I love the confessional that some people are having about this on this board in the last couple of days. For example Derrick Whitsett (sp?) and RollerJunkie. Is there anything else you'd like to confess to? A little shoplifting, arm robbery, home invasion etc.? Of course line-jumping isn't in the same league with any of those crimes, but I can just see the home video now "Forty ways to jump the line and not get caught", of course available on DVD.
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No, I certainly don't approve of it. As a ride op, I've seen just how line jumping can harm a guests park experience.
I don't think they should be kicked out of the park. Its very rewarding to let the linejumper wait in line, then when they get to the train inform them that they won't be riding.
Most aren't happy about it, but will abide by what you say. If thats the end of it, then they've had their fair punishment. If they give you a lot of grief, then I wouldn't be opposed to booting them for the park. Honestly, some people aren't worth the trouble for the 40 dollars they pay to get in.
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The Trip: CP, SFWoA, PKI, KW, HW, IB, SFGAm, MiA and LeSourdsville too.
8 Days- 10 parks. May 2003
Yes, I think its very wrong. And I consider most of these "handicapped" people who have nothing more than a walking cast on their foot line cutters too - especially when they have a group of like 8 people with them. If you have a true handicap that you cannot be standing there for more than 10 or 15 minutes, I can see going to the exit with ONE extra person to escort you. But, walking casts, gauze on your toe, broken arms and groups of 10 people at the exit are line jumpers in the worst way. Nothing ruins my experience on a ride more than waiting for 1 1/2 hours for the front seat and some punk with a twisted toenail comes up with his 3 friends and steals the front row. Real injury, one escort, middle of the train. That should be the rule.
Edit: I also think that Freeway, Fastpass and whatever else is out there is line jumping too. Part of the experience is waiting in line - it builds anticipation. I think most of us can attest that days that there is no one in the park, it gets old fast. If you're just jumping from station to station for walk-ons, you're missing out on some good people watching, some good time with your group, and a big part of the whole roller coaster experience. Plus you're cutting ;)
Yes, I think they should be kicked out immediately. If you get caught, there are signs and employee warnings everywhere to not cut. Usually guards will even give you an opportunity to go to the end of the line. If you still deny that you did it (like the guys I saw get caught at TTD) or if you continue to cut (like the girl on Ghostrider that got caught) then, out, go, bye, I don't care how you get home, follow the rules. Just cause you think you're better than everyone else doesn't mean you're right.
Line jumping is just completely disrespectful to everyone else in line. I mean geez, think about it this way - there's some 6 year old back there who is completely pumped for his first big thrill, and you're pushing your way in front of him because you think you're more important? Come on ...
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"As soon as you design something that's idiot-proof, the world will go and design a better idiot."
--Brett
*** This post was edited by PittDesigner 6/17/2003 9:12:43 AM ***
2) YES
3) Oh Heck YES! It's like these people in Illinois who don't stop and pay the tolls in the automatic lanes, who then cry and moan when they get a ticket for $20 plus the cost of the toll. Their insane response is, "Why didn't they stop me from breaking the law sooner?" -- Seriously...check out the link....
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--George H
---Currency tracking experiment... http://www.wheresgeorge.com (Referring to The "George" on the $1 bill - Not Me)
Damn right it's morally wrong. I've seen this happen quite a few times, and it's the sort of thing that ignites my Hulk-like anger. It really is the most infuriating method of line-breaking that I've witnessed. If you do this, and happen to notice a big green dude behind you when you distinctly remembered saying 'excuse me' to a scrawny white guy just seconds earlier, run. Fast.
RollerJunkie said:
d.) This is the least used one, because there are easier ways, it's the one most likely to get you caught, and IMO is most morally wrong... Nonchalantly pretend you're meeting up with someone further ahead in the line politely saying "excuse me" (I use this at the movie theater too).
Hulk will smash.
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-Mike B.
Son of Hulk
1. Yes
2. Yes
3. Yes
I do regret doing it-- it was when i was in my prime;) well maybe just two years ago with a few friends, all guys and we were trying to catch up with a few gals up ahead so we did the "manly" thing and caught up to them. I will never do it again.
Josh
2. Without a doubt it's wrong. How could you think otherwise.
3. Definitely. No refund. Period.
To RollerJunkie, you said:
1. Yes, but in an intelligent way...
I don't call that intelligent; I call it slimy, sleezy, underhanded, dirty, etc., etc., etc. But call it what you want, it's still line jumping and you should be kicked out.
Oh, and don't try your 1.D if I'm in line. I WON'T let you pass. I'll just tell you to have your friends come back to join you. I've done it many times before and I'll continue to do it. It's the oldest, and worst, line jumping trick. I especially like the shocked looks on people's faces when they realize I'm serious and I have no intention of letting them pass.
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Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein
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"As soon as you design something that's idiot-proof, the world will go and design a better idiot."
--Brett
Oh and this fake handicap crap has got to be severely punished as well. I have seen people get on the ride using the exit and then take the best seat on the ride and then when they are off the ride and away from the ride exit, they are suddenly walking just fine. The last trip I took to the Point, one of my nieces had messed up her ankle real good before coming to the park. She had to be carted around in a wheelchair the entire day. The thing was that she could stand and walk for short periods. We could have gotten her an exit lane pass but SHE (11 years old) declined because she felt that it wouldnt be fair to the others waiting in line. I was so proud of her! There are other people who really need that service and her bowing out probably made it that much easier on those individuals as well.
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Bob Hansen
Resident Airtime Whore
I've often worried about the same things but you'd be surprised how many other people in line will back you up when this happens.
A person doing this is not about to cause a scene in line because that would just draw attention to themselves and they'd get kicked out anyway.
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Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein
Intamin Fan said:
My opinion on this is that these are same idiots who wait until the last moment to cut over when a lane says to merge left or right in however many feet, drive up the shoulder, or cut over at the last minute when there's a mile backup for an exit. Ah...the joys of driving the Baltimore or DC Beltways.
Actually, Rob, I believe that so-called "merging at the last minute" is likely the most efficient way to handle the merging situation as it utilizes the most lane space and limits the distance that traffic backs up from the merge point. Think of an hourglass, the sand is spread out wide and constricts slowly to the bottleneck. Traffic should work more like that.
Anyway, on topic:
1. Yes (and would likely do it again)
2. Sometimes (there *can* be mitigating factors)
3. No. The penalty should be removal from the ride, not the park.
Any more questions?
lata, jeremy
--who could cop to WAY worse things than so-called "line-jumping"
Do you also cut in front of people in the grocery store? Or at a department store?
Why is it OK to do it at a park?
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Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein
RollerJunkie, besides being line jumping, it's just plain dishonest. I don't know you, but I know I would never trust you. However, considering your moral integrity, perhaps being a lawyer is in your future.
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Goccvp1
Scooby Doo and The Haunted Castle...MUCH more fun when you have ride partners!!!
2) Yes, it's wrong. Duh.
3) Kick 'em out.
I totally agree with those who mentioned kids with walking casts, etc., stealing good seats. I say that unless you have a permanent handicap (i.e. you're a parapalegic), you shouldn't get to skip the line at all. I can see those teenagers plotting at home... "Hey, JT's got a broken foot! Let's all go to Cedar Point with him!"
Regarding line-jumping at a grocery store or other places - yes, this happens all the time as well. I was at Kroger the other day, in line for the self-scan machines, holding 4 12-packs of pop stacked in my arms, when this guy walks up and asks if he can go in front of me.
"I only have this one item," he says, holding a bag of chips. I didn't say anything, so he just cut in front of me (and the 3-4 other people behind me).
So then as soon as he stepped up to the self-checkout machine, his kid walks up with about a dozen items in his arms.
The jerks are everywhere.
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