Please put floorless trains on Mantis Please

Cobra at La Ronde has gotten shaky those last few years, but nothing too major yet. The biggest plus is the great pop of air on the bunny hill before the block brake. Plus, lines are never a factor... They don't even stack when there's 2 trains running!

Admittedly too lazy to read all four pages but considder this:

B&M designs rides around the rider's heartline. That line is different when standing and sitting. Putting floorless trains on Mantis could actually be WORSE!

Coaster Joe is right - the two quick directional changes on Mantis are two of the most fun coaster moments I can think of. A floorless train would ruin them.

I think Mantis is the only B&M standup to have two of these "whoopty-do" elements. Of the ones I've ridden (Chang, Iron Wolf, Riddler), they all have just one each.

I thought I mentioned this back in 2003. Mantis would be the BOMB if it had floorless trains. Count me in as one signing the petition! ;)

BTW, Moosh.... what heartline would they be referring to if it meant neither standing or sitting? *** Edited 6/27/2005 11:39:48 PM UTC by nasai***

Well yinz can try out those high speed "whip" direction changes in a low-sitting floorless first, and when your ears stop bleeding, I'll ask you how it was ...

Count me in on the bandwagon of those curious to ride a floorless Mantis. Too many painful and 'un-fun' rides to miss the old Mantis. It would be much less intense than Dominator (my only floorless to date), but I think it would be more enjoyable than the stand-up trains.

On the issue of designing the ride for 'heartline', I would imagine that B&M still has all their old computer designs, and could likely compute what the ride would be like with floorless trains. I suspect that the ride wouldn't be significantly rougher since the heartline would be closer to the track. Closer to the track means larger circles (loops, corkscrews, helicies, etc.) and theoretically lower G forces. Not a perfect theory, but sounds good to me. :)

oh wow, you said please and everything!

If this doesn't get them to do it... wow.

Floorless? Come on, where's your imagination? Inverted, people...Mantis needs inverted trains! Sure, loading would be one hell of a challenge, but just think of how unique it would be, eh?

No? Ok, PTCs, then!

I think its a good ride CP just needs to put the 3rd train back on to up the capacity more. Why build a coaster to run 3 trains and only run 2 ? Big waste of money and BS to make people wait longer.

Every time I have been on Mantis the first train is on the brake run right behind the station before the second train dispatches. Putting the third train on would simply mean you have to wait two minutes longer to get off the ride, because when you come back around you'll hit the first brake run and sit there for a second, and then you'll get to move around to the second brake run and sit there for two minutes while they load a third train.

Stand-ups take longer to load in general because of the restraint design and having to re-adjust several seats per load, and putting a third train on won't change this. IMO the two train system is fine and the third train is fine right where it is. *** Edited 6/28/2005 1:28:40 PM UTC by Travio***

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Mamoosh said:
B&M designs rides around the rider's heartline. That line is different when standing and sitting. Putting floorless trains on Mantis could actually be WORSE!

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Don't the floorless trains sit a little higher than the floored looper trains? It might not be as high as the standup heartline, but would it be close enough?

Does anyone have any *reliable* measurements as such?

Reliable? Not me, LOL!

But I can give you a guess of about 8-10" of difference between standing and sitting on a floorless (which are elevated somewhat from standard sit-downs, as noted). Who knows, you might *accidentally* get some intensity from a Beemer that way... ;)

B&M standups are one of the few coaster types where it pays to be tall. I've never had the slightest bit of pain from any of them, but I rode Iron Wolf with a girl one time who thought it was 'the most painfull ride' she has ever been on. I thought it was great. I guess it comes full circle, because I have to dislocate my legs to get on old Schwarzkopfs and SoB.

I also agree that the whips are the most fun part of B&M standups. Still, as a group, standups just aren't as fun as other kinds of coasters. They definately shouldn't be the main draw at a park (SFKK).

Mantis is the most intense standup I've ever ridden and I wouldn't dream of missing a ride on it when at CP, thank goodness for the handstamp! I love Riddler's Revenge and Chang for their smoothness which I think has everything to do with how much more room they have in between elements. The second half of Mantis is basically the "spaghetti bowl" of standups and does make it rock hard everywhere except the front seat. If my friends complain about Mantis being too rough while we're waiting in line I'll give them a backseat ride so they can really have something to cry about! ;)
The Georgia Scorcher was just plain old fun and very smooth. In my opinion Iron Wolf was more painful than thrilling, and the restraints on Vortex at PKD scared me more than the ride itself. The other Vortex at Carowind's was similar to Iron Wolf and I was glad when the ride was over.
Now back on topic, floorless trains on Mantis? Never gonna happen... I think the long lines have more to do with slow dispatch times than popularity. This has nothing to do with this year's crew or any year's crew. I feel it has more to do with making sure everybody on the train is in a comfortable riding position. We were delighted watching RR's crew at SFMM and how fast they dispatched those trains with many riders stuck in funky positions. I guess the attitude was "I bet they'll stand up straight next time" which we loved compared to CP's agonizingly slow process.