PKIs Flyers to Carowinds?

Jeff isnt saying you can't send your complaints you can. He is recommending you not. However, the decision is a done deal! That is what Jeff is telling you. I think it has been made clear that regardless of what happens this decision is done. So, why keep complaining??? I dont get it. You know I work at local retail store and people consistently complain about return policies and they just think the more they complain the more chance they have of changing it. It doesnt happen. KI may be a customer service industry but a small less then 1% of their attendance is minor. Yea more than just enthusist are upset HOWEVER most non-enthusist will continue on without further problems.

Another thing is, at no point do I see anywhere that anyone from PKI has stated that they disagree with the decision to remove scooters. Do not put words in peoples mouths.

I would like to also remind this community that your actions this Sunday could result in devasting results if you plan on being disrespectful. So, please remember to be grown up and tasteful, because the rest of the community does not want to pay the consequences for immature people in this community.

I also think many of you need to take note of Sean's post. He makes a very valid point about reasons much deeper than anyone will know about scooters being removed. This could be very true *wink*wink*. If the park decided to ban snapping, the park would be under as much critism as this so why not just move it. Just a thought!

Everyone needs to stop blaming Paramount corportate for this because there is not one person that can show supporting evidence as to who made this decision. No one will ever know. PKI staff will never tell because if it was corporate they will have problems.

People, it is time to let this go. To keep pushing this issue is not doing anything at all. PKI has made it clear they are removing this ride regardless, not that they don't care, but it is final.

Please enjoy Scooters this last weekend and please remember to act responsible.

While I think moving it to another park makes no sense, how on god's green earth can some of you say that this was the only ride that made the park?

So a park with 13 coasters, some decent and even cool themed flats, along with a kickass kids area and waterpark just fails when a small flat like the flyers gets removed?

Not understanding the logic here.

I never said that the Flying Eagles "made the park." I will, however, continue to say that the ride plays a large part in getting me to the park. It is a HUGE part of the overall experience for me.

Every trip I take to PKI I look forward to three things more than anything else: Flying Eagles, Top Gun, Delirium (in that order). It has been this way for a while (before Delirium I looked forward to that one last night ride on The Beast).

That's saying something about the ride if it's the biggest factor in getting me to drive three and a half hours to get there.

And I drive 6 hours to the park to experience the overall atmosphere of the park.

Give me Delirium, FOF, Vortex, Spongebob, Face/Off, and night time Beast rides, and I am content from this coaster nut from Chicago. *** Edited 10/13/2004 5:29:44 AM UTC by Chitown***

The flyers were pretty fun, but I think that the only people who *really* feel strongly about them are enthusiasts (and not even all of that group.

Delirium, Tomb Raider, Face/Off, FoF and Drop Zone are the rides that really make the park for me (consider me one who thinks that Beast is overrated). For myself, and I think the vast majority, the new Italian Job coaster will be a more than suitable replacement for the flyers.

Still, people don't get it and I mean this with all due respect.

The flyers were the only ride, Not predictable, never got old and certainly were not boring. Many coasters and even including Drop Zone become the same ole, same ole for people who visit often. The flyers were the exception and I could still be amazed and surprised and thrilled after several thousand rides. Many times stopping to visit the park to ride them a dozen times or more in one visit..

In all fairness, I would say that about any park, If I lived next to CP and had several thousand Magnum rides. It woujld probably be old to me. SFGAM Bull and Viper would be old to me. know what I mean?

Sean had a point on the no snappage rule. I have seen guest get irate over people doing it but then again, not only enthusiast snap. I had disscussed this with someone the other day and mentioned " I wonder if we are our own worst enemy at times?"

Moving the ride to PCAR and enforcing or modifying it so it can't be done can never be frowned on if done from day one adopting a no snapping policy at PKI would probably be just as bad as removing them to those who love the ride.

Chuck

I guess I don't have enough experience with this ride to understand what "snapping" is, but if it makes the ride more intense then it probably won't be allowed. The ride is going in the kiddie area and marketed towards families.

I never thought I'd see the day when it became inappropriate to express an opinion about a corporate decision.

I agree that PKI is extending an olive branch to enthusiasts by allowing them to take final spins on the Flyers before the are removed. It's something that they are under no obligation to do, it's more of a "from the bottom of our hearts" thing. Kudos to them. I applaud them for caring. And I seriously look down upon anyone that plans on going to cause a scene and make enthusiasts (as a community) look bad in the eyes of a park that obviously cares more than most.

But to basically tell people that don't like the idea of the Flyers leaving to "shut up and deal"... what kind of mentality is that? Since when is a little constructive letter-writing a bad thing, regardless of how "set in stone" the decision may be? Seems to me that the decision to remove SFGAm's Whizzer a few years ago was pretty final but a public outcry and display of affection for the ride caused the park to reconsider it's decision. What is wrong with people expressing genuine upset over this decision, provided that it is done in a respectful manner?

People act as though this happened years ago and people are still upset over it, when in reality the news broke less than a week ago and it is still a shock to many.

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Michael Darling said:
I...continue to say that the ride plays a large part in getting me to the park. It is a HUGE part of the overall experience for me.

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But apparently not enough of a draw to get the people that really matter thru the gate, the GP. That is why you run a business, remember? To make money, and not just to make a nich group happy.

If its such a freakin problem for you, then why don't you head down to PCar next year and ride them there? Now you have a reason to play a large part in visiting NC/SC.

Betcha a buck Clint that when the flyers move to Charlotte, the "no snapping" policy will be in effect...

Sorry to say it, but I really believe that will be the case...:(

P.S. Homey G called this FIRST....huge ups for the Brain on this one! :)

Maybe, Bill, but like I said before, atleast a 70 yr. old ride isn't being scrapped. I'm not happy or sad about the flyers coming to PCar, as I've never ridden Flyers anywhere, not even on both visits to PKI.

Will I ride them @ PCar? Maybe next year when I skip by Vortex...

I am Happy that PCar is getting 2 new rides with their re-theme, and am sorry that you guys are losing your flyers, but, c'mon, some of you (not you Chuck, just to make that clear) are starting to sound alot like a few SFA/SFDL whiners when it comes to this. You can't change the decision, accept it, and move on with your lives.

I don't want the MB Pavilion to be moved either, and thankfully there isn't a decision made on it yet, but when it is made, if the Pavilion is closed/moved, I'll go to MB the last week for some last rides, be sad, remember the fun, and get on with my life, that, btw, does not revolve around our silly little hobby.

With both of my feet still firmly planted in reality, it is normal for people to be upset over this. I can imagine it's like Knoebels losing their Flyers or Auto Skooters, Kennywood losing Noah's Ark or Disneyland losing Pirates of the Caribbean. It's not the only ride in the park but it means a lot to some people and I think that people are allowed to "whine" a bit if they want. Just because this is how it has to be doesn't mean that anyone has to like it.

I agree, Rob, and can see a decent amount of whining about something they like. But my point was that some of them are taking it a bit over board, like some of our friends that complain and complain and complain about parks not getting something new.

I can see why they're sad, if someone decided to tear down the Swamp Fox, I'd be whining and upset as well, but not to the point of some of these cats.

It all depends on how far people take it. Going to the park and staging some kind of protest is pretty ridculous (and completely uncalled for) but asking people to hold off on well-phrased letters and forum comments is just plain wrong.

As for those that whine about their home parks not getting anything new... that's a whole different issue!

Rob,

I don't think the problem lies in people using well phrased letters or words in forums. Luckily, this thread has been fairly laid back when it comes to negative comments.

Trust me when I say the park has gotten much worse comments. Yes, I have heard there are few people that will protest the ride being removed on Sunday evening. The park knows this as well. As a matter of fact, the quote "all eyes will be watching" was mentioned to me this afternoon.

I do not speak for the park but I will share the wishes they have in regards to Sunday evening. They want the end to be peacful, fun, and a nice way to say goodbye to a ride that so many of us (including the park) love. They don't want any conflict. They want this to be enjoyable for everyone.

It's because of things like enthusiasts safety at their events that they continue to offer us so many perks. It only takes one person to ruin it for all. I know most everyone understands this but I know there are a few rebels out there that refuse to let this sink in.

So, for those of you that plan on being there Sunday evening, plan on having a great time with an old friend one last time. I know i will.

-Sean

I agree with you Sean, and I think it's sad that PKI has to worry about some a-holes who may or may not cause trouble, let alone recieve very nasty comments about the ride's relocation.

The Flyers are very special to a lot of people, including myself, but it's JUST an amusement ride, and it's removal is not the end of the world as some obviously think it is.

-Tina

<----who will STILL be within four hours of the Flyers so I could really care less.

*** Edited 10/14/2004 1:29:40 AM UTC by coasterqueenTRN***

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Sean Flaharty said:
Greg,

For instance (and this is just a scenario), what if PKI were to enforce a very strict no snapping rule? Would there still be the fans of the ride if this happend?

What if the ride was falling apart and had to be junked?

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LOL...well, I am probably the only enthusiast that does NOT like to snap. It scares the **** out of me! I have done it completely by accident before, and would prefer that I didn't! So it wouldn't bother me any if they modified it so you couldn't snap. But I realize that I am in the very small minority here on that.

And as for it falling apart and junked, well that must not be the case since they are moving it, right Sean? :)

I am still scratching my head over why a company would ignore it's customers and dig in it's heels and refuse to even at least consider changing their plan. Obviously this ride has a lot of history in the area and means a lot to more people than just enthusiast. It's just not good business sense to ignore your customer base which is what seems to be happening. Has the corporate office commented on this yet?

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PKI and Paramount Parks have heard your concern. It doesn't change the fact that the ride is going to a different park. It's time to move on now. Give it a shot, eh?

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What harm would there be in explaining to us why they simply didn't want to make room for it somewhere else in the park? Not that they have to explain themselves, but the very least they could do is give us a reason WHY they are removing it and sending it to Carowinds, and not the cop-out that "they had to make room for Italian Job". That doesn't wash. The park has plenty of room where they could have moved it. So why take it away from PKI, especially knowing its history in the Cincinnati area and it's reputation with it's fans. I mean, for crying out loud - can't they give us SOME comforting reason, besides a banal platitude about needing to make room for Italian Job? Hearing them tell us that "it's gone, and there is nothing that can be done about it" is not acceptable.

More than likely, they can't give you that explination (from within the park) because all things point to this being a corporate decision.

Sometimes we're all told "its gone, and there is nothing that can be done about it". Just because we don't want to accept it dosen't mean it won't happen.

Again, I understand everyone wanting the Flyers to stay @ PKI, but like I said, its not like they're just taking them out and scrapping them. Heck, they're going to a really good home.

As has been hinted at already, maybe they're moving them for reasons that we'd be better off not knowing in the end.

I can accept that they are leaving. I understand that. All I'm saying is why can't the corporate people who made the decision tell us why? It's not like they are removing a ride that has only been in the park for 10 years. That ride has been in the Cincy area for decades! Whether or not, in the end, it's better off for us to not know the reason really doesn't matter - simply because as has already been drilled into our heads, it won't make any difference. What could it hurt for us to know the real reason?

Oh well, just my thoughts. <sigh>