PKI major announcement soon.

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Jason Hammond said:
Not that I have any reason to belive Barry but, there appears to be enogh room by Face Off. . .

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Oh, Lord. . .That may well be one of my favorite quotes of the year thus far. . .

You know that Barry--he's such an unmitigated liar and charlatan that you simply can't believe ANYTHING HE has to say. . .

God help us if BARRY should be able to provide some kernel of knowledge that the rest of us are clamoring, groping, stumbling around in the dark for, hoping in vain to be able to debunk someone on a roller coaster blog. . .

Because BARRY certainly has virtually NO IDEA EVER of what he's talking about. GREG BRADY, however, now there's a different story. . .

LOL.

And they wonder why we're viewed as such nerds. The. painstaking. attempt. to. make. a. kind. of. sense. of. where. they're. going. to. put. a. coaster. that's. being. relocated. from. another. park.

It makes the quest for intelligent signs of life in the universe almost pale by comparison.

Sounds like someone had a bad night and misinterpreted my post.

I didn't mean any offense. All I meant was, I don't know you and I don't know your source. To be honest, there are very few people on this website that I would belive without question. Simple as that. For that matter, if I said I had inside knowledge of something, I wouldn't really expect many people to belive me either.

And thank you so much for putting paragraphs of words into my mouth. I didn't say you were wrong or that you never know what your talking about. I just said I belived something different. That is allowed, right? For that matter, even though I didn't belive it myself, I even gave reasons as to how you could be right. So, your welcome.

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*** Edited 1/25/2007 12:39:27 PM UTC by Jason Hammond***

Correction: I went back to the source and source said that there's "wraparound" down and around where TOP GUN is and that a large retaining wall is being built down there to "contain" the ride. While I can't remember the exact geography of the park, there is a fairly large space running from TOP GUN over towards FACE-OFF that could house the ride.

I believe the FOF construction is for something else coming NEXT YEAR.

There is only one announcement coming and that's for the new X-FLIGHT.

A line from Top Gun to Face Off goes right through the park. You can see that really well in this photo.

Yea, I never really knew what land Barry is talking about, even after being at the park so many times, and that picture just shows that. There is path ways, the skyflyer, drop zone, congo falls, and more to the right, the theater. There is no land there.

There is no land there.

Actually, there is. There's a "storage graveyard" of sorts just behind the Skyflyer and there is undeveloped land just beyond the fence that is next to the Top Gun queue.

There's the old Monerail Storage facility that is currently used for steel coaster maintenace I believe. There's also the back-stage load-in area behind Timberwolf.

However unless major land work is done, it seems to me that the coaster would be a very difficult fit in that area. The topography is very bad in that area. Not to mention installing it there would further cluster the already poorly laid-out bottleneck that is Action Zone.

There's also the vacated land that still exists after the removal of King Cobra. Remove the doughnut go-kart track and you *possibly* have enough space. Heck, if they were to be removing things for it... and if it were to be going in Action Zone... it seems feesible that Congo Falls would bite the dust leaving a prime location for a signature ride. That ride sticks out like a sore thumb in Action Zone anyway.

A new coaster next to Timberwolf also doesn't quite seem feesible to me either. However it would not surprise me to see Timberwolf dissapear in the future. I cannot see CF holding any interest in the concert business.

I believe the coaster to be going elsewhere at KI... (I had known of the coaster being installed at PKI for sometime, but never had specifics... quite honestly I am not a fan of X-Flight so it really hasn't peaked my interest that much) but stranger things have happened. My eyes continue to look toward FoF.

Shaggy

Guys, they could totally put that ride near Flight of Fear. Anybody remember Carowinds? They could call this ride BORG Assimilator and even leave the existing paint scheme! It would also fit right into the sci/fi & space theme of the area.

I'll try and have an exact mapping game plan for everyone tomorrow.

Shaggy's "storage graveyard" thing though is spot-on. My understanding is that it starts back in there somewhere, with a loading platform adjacent to TOP GUN. Is it that far out of the realm of possibility for the track to head out and over towards the parking lot, possibly ending opposite FACE OFF??

I realize that you can draw a straight line between TOP GUN and FACE OFF and not expect it to fit there, neuski. Amusement parks are always notoriously "intersecting" ride upon ride. Although one of the more interesting aspects of parks is to build rides on, around and through, as well as on top of, each other, logistical and safety concerns will win out in the end, as they should.

Maybe we should do a fly over and get some updated topographical aerial views of the park and really get to the bottom of this.

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Shaggy said:

Heck, if they were to be removing things for it... and if it were to be going in Action Zone... it seems feesible that Congo Falls would bite the dust leaving a prime location for a signature ride. That ride sticks out like a sore thumb in Action Zone anyway.

Shaggy

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Yeah, I don't think it would be there much longer if they had any sort of plans to reuse the land it sits on. Sad to think that it was there BEFORE they decided to pave a mile of concrete around it. Then again, I'd rather have the Keelboat Canal back and lose Amazon, oops I mean, Congo Falls.

Something to consider... They are going to have to blade of a flat piece of land for X-Flight. I think it would be really difficult to get it stuck down by Top Gun in that ravine.

Rablat5 said: Guys, they could totally put that ride near Flight of Fear. Anybody remember Carowinds? They could call this ride BORG Assimilator and even leave the existing paint scheme! It would also fit right into the sci/fi & space theme of the area.

Yea they could, but this is Cedar Fair, why make it a Paramount name. CF is trying to get rid of the Paramount theme. So i doubt their naming it Borg.

Something to consider... They are going to have to blade of a flat piece of land for X-Flight. I think it would be really difficult to get it stuck down by Top Gun in that ravine.

Well, granted a flat piece of land makes much more sense to me.. such as the *now* levelled plot next to FOF. And as I said, I think it's going there.

But let's explore the possibility.

King Cobra actually sat in a ravinous (is that a word?) area itself. KC was basically an already built initial prototype coaster that was designed by Togo to fit a specifically sized flat area. However when KI bought it, they placed in an area that had a steep drop off. The solution was to use large pillars as footers. The pillars, BTW, still exist to this day.

X-Flight is the same. It's a *shelf* ride that is designed only to fit a certain sized plot. Seems to me that if the owners were willing to pay for the more extensive footer/pillar work, then the coaster could go in any space irregardless of a ravine.

As Barry elluded to, squeezing in a ride, no matter it's surroundings is nothing new, or unheard of. The soon to be defunct Hypersonic is a great example. When PKD installed it, they took the already existing ride from S&S and altered it to fit over the midway. Other than a very minor footprint alteration, they simply shortened the drop and extended the supports on the return leg.

Shaggy

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Good points Shaggy. I must admit that flying around in a ravinous ravine would be more entertaining than the FoF area.

What I'm really wanting to know is...
A. Is CF going to fix the problems that caused the capacity to go down the crapper at GL?
B. Is the capacity going to be that great even if everything is fixed?

^ Can't speak for CF....but from ALL accounts, the work done on Stealth (which was a capacity nightmare) has increased the reliability and the capacity enormously...

It would SEEM unlikely that they'd move the ride to PKI (where crowds are a perpetual issue) without making the same sort of tweaks...besides, the $10M budget has to be for SOMETHING... ;)

That's essentially what they did with both Batwing & ME as well Shaggy.Just take a look at the huge footer sitting about the hilltop on the flip over/turn leading into Batwing's loop & you'll see what I mean.

Shaggy's points about planting the ride in a certain pre-determined area where something else existed is interesting. Neuski's comment about the ravine is also compelling in that I hadn't thought about it being down there "in a ravine." Is it possible that the drop hill might go roaring into the ravine and everything else would be "topside" on flat ground?

Here's another question from a technically inept and mechanically ignorant coaster rider: is it possible for the ride to be extended longer than it originally was as X-Flight @ Geauga Lake? My friend says that they couldn't believe the amount of pillars/footers they have to work with--maybe over 40??? Could it be "redesigned" for a new space with added tracking or does it have to stay the same as it was at the other park?

While I understand that these off-the-shelf rides can be made to fit plots of land that aren't completely flat, it's just kinda hard to believe that, at this point in time, they would put the ride anywhere but next to Flight of Fear.

They have already been doing land clearing there (and not in the supposed "other" location). It's approaching the end of January, and no vertical track has been assembled, and they seem to plan on having this open for 2007. At this rate, they might not have the ride open for the start of the season on the cleared piece of land, let alone this uncleared, alternate location.

Plus, this secondary location would involve removing some of the trees that help hide the park from the parking lot view. I'd rather them hide the ride further back and leave some trees standing.

I'm sure with enough in the engineering budget, just about anything can be done to a coaster. Alterations to Colossus, Steel Phantom, and Turn of the Century have shown that.

I'm still amazed that there's six pages of discussion about X-Flight.

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JackWrather said:I'm still amazed that there's six pages of discussion about X-Flight.

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^ Whatever happened to Coasterbuzz? ;)

As far as adding extra trackage, given there's enough leftover *potential+kinetic energy* AND budget, is by NO means impossible. Given the givens of THIS ride, I'd call it EXTREMELY unlikely...

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rollergator said:

^ Whatever happened to Coasterbuzz?

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