Michigan's Adventure Future Plans
CoastaPlaya said:
One small problem....you have no point.
Sure I do. If Jon's right about MIA committing to something gravity-enhanced and steel-tracked, why not a hyper?
I've established that:
a) The have been promised a hyper.
b) They have afforded a project that would be in a similar price/attendance range, and that it boosted the hell out of their awareness.
They can afford it why? Cuz you and your little calculator says so?
I'll bet your little calculator will too, once you put in the right numbers.
When compared to real-life case studies of CF parks with more than twice the attendance of MiA (make that triple in good years), the same reality crops up again and again. It will wear as heavily on MiA's future expansion from then on as Mamba does WoF...and frankly , there are less expensive ways to attract more people.
What real-life case studies, exactly? You've tossed out some poorly conveyed non-sequitors and random ranting about Mamba.
WoF is limited as much by available space as anything. [Zinger left to make room for Boomerang] Mamba isn't quite as space conservative as Magnum. Not that they haven't been putting some stuff in lately.
As for less expensive, perhaps. But then, this whole thread was predicated on accepting the rumor that a steel coaster is going in for 2004.
What we've got right now is a rumor, and it will stay a rumor until Cedar Fair makes an announcement. I'm not convinced that Cedar Fair has any concrete plans at this moment, and won't until after the season ends and they see how well MiA did . Not that they don't have plans...they've probably got several depending upon how the numbers look later.
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Fact 1: What the former park owner says means nuttin' when the present owner says otherwise.
Fact 2: MiA has never had a cap ex even half a hyper's size.
But the more Wolf yaps, the more we see how little he knows....
Wolf said:
WoF is limited as much by available space as anything.
You're kidding, right? WoF is running out of room? I'd refer you someplace where you'd learn better, but what's the point? You just can't read and we know that already.
Isn't it funny how the CF sister park that's received the most cap money is also the smallest? And the second smallest has been #3 in line lately. You could drop either one in the land area occupied by WoF with plenty of room to spare. That's right, genius.
You have absolutely no clue about one thing you're talking about! But do go on. Please do. Keep on with your silly blather and convince everyone how baseless, pointless and silly your little ruminations are. Make an even bigger fool of yourself, will ya? We can't wait.
-CO
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Sorry for jumping in late. Have you ever been to Worlds of Fun? You have to be kidding me if you think there is a lack of space there.
*** This post was edited by Six Flags Over Nebraska 6/6/2003 4:18:37 PM ***
CoastaPlaya said:
Speaking of 'infrastructuer', :P the silliest thought came to me as I strolled the path from Enterprise to SV....it felt naked and unfinished.
You know I felt the same way, and that was my first visit to VF. To get to SV, it felt like I was going outside the park, which I guess Challenge park was at one time. I do hope that they look into that soon, maybe add a Top Spin out there as well as some more shops/boths. VF is a nice park, just nothing there to really write home and tell mom about, however a very nice local park. Somehow I just think that it would be something really special if it had themed sections and if the park actually cared enough to ANNOUNCE rides with signs that you don't have to search for to find out what the name of the ride is. :)
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CoastaPlaya said:
Fact 1: What the former park owner says means nuttin' when the present owner says otherwise.
A fact that greatly depends on the terms of the purchase.
Fact 2: MiA has never had a cap ex even half a hyper's size.
How much do you think a hyper costs?
Straight up, 200', in a tectonically stable area?
BTW:
1998: Mamba -- $10M
1998: Shivering Timbers -- $4.5M
Pretty close to half to me. That was just ST, btw.
WoF is limited as much by available space as anything.You're kidding, right? WoF is running out of room?
Easily accessible room, yes. They are cut off from Mamba down past Boomerang from expanding that way by the water park and its parking lot. They can't expand much past OE due to the road, the admin stuff, and the *huge* parking lot. They've maxed the Americana section, pretty much. They can push past the Scandinavian section and the one side of the African section, yes. However, they would really need to establish a pathway to do so, as they would have otherwise encircled themselves, basically. It's not the best planned park I've seen, w/ the idea of future expansion in mind. They've got a huge front lawn, and no easy way to get to it. Cedar Fair isn't big on intertwining rides.
Isn't it funny how the CF sister park that's received the most cap money is also the smallest?
You mean Knotts? Year-round operation whereas the others are seasonal. Apples/Oranges. More local competition [PGA, SFMM, DCA] too.
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Wolf said:
Easily accessible room, yes. They are cut off from Mamba down past Boomerang from expanding that way by the water park and its parking lot.
Not true. The waterpark is out behind Monsoon, and not even remotely close to Boomerang.
Wolf said:
They can't expand much past OE due to the road, the admin stuff, and the *huge* parking lot.
Why can't they expand towards the road? There is a lot of land there and they own all of it, right up to Worlds of Fun Ave. Don't speak unless you have your facts straight.
Wolf said:
They've maxed the Americana section, pretty much.
Except for all the land between the park and WOF Ave.
Wolf said:
They can push past the Scandinavian section and the one side of the African section, yes. However, they would really need to establish a pathway to do so, as they would have otherwise encircled themselves, basically.
They can't really push out Scandinavia due to the warehouses and walkway to Lots E-K. Africa can be expanded and it will be. Eventually there will be a walkway from Monsoon to near Zulu. However that is not the next area that will be used.
Wolf said:
It's not the best planned park I've seen, w/ the idea of future expansion in mind. They've got a huge front lawn, and no easy way to get to it. Cedar Fair isn't big on intertwining rides.
I love how all of the sudden you are an expert on this park and it almost seems like you haven't even remotely tried to keep up with all the news and happenings at the park. First of all the front lawn is where things will be happening next year. Beat Street is going to be removed after this season to allow for the capital expenditure for 2004's season - pretty much already confirmed, the last thing open on that area was removed last week (Power house Arcade). Next that will open the front law up for expansion. The new capital expenditure will be located not that far from the entrance road to the park - CF:LP likes to locate these near the entrance for some reason. So there - running out of room, I think not. How the heck this relates to MiA, I'm not sure, but for cryin' out loud wasn't it bad enough having CPlaya make you look stupid - why did you have to bring me into this as well?
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Not true. The waterpark is out behind Monsoon, and not even remotely close to Boomerang.
How far does the property extend, adjacent to the parking lot and the Africa section? Doesn't the train turnaround somewhere past the Afrtica section? I seem to remember it going past the Boomerang at one point [only ever did ride it once].
Why can't they expand towards the road? There is a lot of land there and they own all of it, right up to Worlds of Fun Ave. Don't speak unless you have your facts straight.
Don't speak unless you're actually read the previous comment. You still need to get to all that green space, and between Mamba, Timberwolf, Orient Express, the topspin, and the dead-ends of flatrides and Peanut's areas, they've kind of walled that section off from the rest of the park. You would need to either remove a ride or run a ride through another. CF notoriously doesn't like to do either.
Wolf said:
They've maxed the Americana section, pretty much.Except for all the land between the park and WOF Ave.
Which, you'll note, isn't in the Americana section. And you still need to get there.
They can't really push out Scandinavia due to the warehouses and walkway to Lots E-K. Africa can be expanded and it will be. Eventually there will be a walkway from Monsoon to near Zulu. However that is not the next area that will be used.
I suppose you could do something with that *long* walkway out to the raft ride. What was Zulu again? The Enterprise?
I love how all of the sudden you are an expert on this park and it almost seems like you haven't even remotely tried to keep up with all the news and happenings at the park. First of all the front lawn is where things will be happening next year. Beat Street is going to be removed after this season to allow for the capital expenditure for 2004's season - pretty much already confirmed, the last thing open on that area was removed last week (Power house Arcade). Next that will open the front law up for expansion. The new capital expenditure will be located not that far from the entrance road to the park - CF:LP likes to locate these near the entrance for some reason. So there - running out of room, I think not. How the heck this relates to MiA, I'm not sure, but for cryin' out loud wasn't it bad enough having CPlaya make you look stupid - why did you have to bring me into this as well?
I think the link was CPlaya's insistence that Mamba ruined WoF and killed all their future cap exs. Then we had something about market size and expansion room.
This whole thing got started when CPlaya denied the viability of a "pretty much already confirmed" steel for 2004 at Michigan's Adventure.
BTW -- what was Beat Street? And where the heck was Powerhouse? It's not on the 2003 map, and I don't remember it from last year.
It does look, though, like you could squeeze out past the go-karts. Or the Skycoaster. Darn up-charges.
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Edit- To answer another one of your questions the powerhouse arcade was located on beat street
*** This post was edited by Six Flags Over Nebraska 6/9/2003 4:37:49 PM ***
ooper coaster capital of the world while CP is the Hypergigaterra coaster capital of the world
Six Flags Over Nebraska said:
Wolf, The Beat Street area is behind RipCord the Skyliner ferris wheel and the Rockin' Reeler ride are back there. For about the past 10 years the've had a shop strip there, but nothing has been really able to succeed due the the off location. Last I heard the final shop there was closed this year, leaving a lot of open space in that area now. Is that a good enough description DH?Edit- To answer another one of your questions the powerhouse arcade was located on beat street
Oh, ok, that area. It was a nicely placed Ferris Wheel, but tricky to find. They had a gift shop up by there, I think, between the rides and Camp Snoopy. I think I bought my Timberwolf shirt there.
Yeah, that's pretty much the places to break out to the front lot. Well, unless you remove the amphitheatre.
Yeah, that's pretty much the places to break out to the front lot. Well, unless you remove the amphitheatre.
For a while it looked like the summer spectacular's contract might not be renued in the off-season that sparked a lot of debates as to what could be done with the land.
Scott it has turned into a cedar fair thread.
*** This post was edited by Six Flags Over Nebraska 6/9/2003 8:22:00 PM ***
I'm just telling you what now 3 employees have told me. (No, not the stupid ride-op. That one still says a 500-footer is coming to MiA)
Can't wait to see footers (end of the year).
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As for rideop predictions...sometimes prevailing rumors come true. More than often they don't. Nevertheless, someone told me about VF's PT two years early. Somebody told me about SV a year early. Buuuuuut this was also among 10,000 tales of utter baloney. And just because park management puts a proposal on the table doesn't mean CF will accept it, either. Personally, I never repeat one word of hearsay.
-'Playa
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