Mean Streak Thought
As far as the -est syndrome, if it wasn't for CP pushing the limits, the best ride in the world would still be gemini, and our trips to the parks would all be pretty lame.
Who knows what will happen to MS. Amusement parks do remove rides that don't recieve many patrons. I still say they should have Intamin help them renovate the ride completely. Devote an entire off-season for the project.
BTW - Goccvp1,
I'm sorry I didn't answer your question. I enjoy BS more than I do MS.
PittDesigner said:
What made it suck was that they put large amounts of trims on it and now it crawls over the hills a-la RWB on the turn closest to BKF
The trims do take much of the fun out of the ride, but there are not large amounts of trims. Just two locations - on the first drop and the mid-course brakes. The first drop brakes really kill the ride in my opinion.
jkpark said:
I once read that CP tried to get (or perhaps steal) the blueprints of the Idora Park Wildcat so they could built the same design. Did you hear anything about that? I thought there was a possibility because CP had a twister coaster built in the 1930's. It had similar features of the IP Wildcat. Correct me if I'm wrong, was it called the Cyclone?
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I didn't hear the one about the Wildcat, but I did hear that at one time CP was considering rebuilding the CP Cyclone. You are right about the Cyclone, it was a twister on the beach side of the park, located sort of where WT and DT are now. It had a reputation for being a wild ride. I'd love to see CP remove the Dive Show Stadium and rebuild the Cyclone in that area.
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jkpark said:
Well, they can keep going with the "est" campain all they want with steel. It just doesn't work too well with wood. I haven't got the chance to ride TTD. And enven though I can't say how great the coaster is, they should have considered building something else.
What about that Intamin Hyperwoodie Idea built along the beach? That could break a record and still be cool.
I gathered by your first answer that you probably liked BS better. Would have answered sooner but was at CB Con II. I may have heard the story about the IP Wildcat blueprints, but I think it was more of a rumor. After all, when the park first closed and the coasters were supposed to go to a new park in Indianna (Electric Park), they were selling copies of the blueprints to raise money (I have them somewhere in my dozens of "packrat" boxes), so it wouldn't have been too tough to come across them.
As far as going with a new "est" wood coaster, I have to agree, it could probably work with Intamin. I haven't been on one, but from all reports (and looking and reading about them on the web), they are very smooth, since they're built using steel coaster technology/principals.
I would rather see them do a three (or better yet, four) track wooden racing/deuling coaster, since then they could use their "est" marketing campaign, without actually having to break a new height record.
I agree with the "go ahead and create all the 'est' steel coasters you want" philosophy, but after doing SFGAm yesterday, it just reinforced my "bigger is not better when it comes to wood" rule. Viper is FAR superior to American Eagle when giving a traditional coaster ride. Just the fact that they can let Viper run all out (read as NO TRIMS), is enough to convince me (as American Eagle is heavily braked).
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jkpark said:
Well, they can keep going with the "est" campain all they want with steel. It just doesn't work too well with wood. I haven't got the chance to ride TTD. And enven though I can't say how great the coaster is, they should have considered building something else.Who knows what will happen to MS. Amusement parks do remove rides that don't recieve many patrons. I still say they should have Intamin help them renovate the ride completely. Devote an entire off-season for the project.
BTW - Goccvp1,
I'm sorry I didn't answer your question. I enjoy BS more than I do MS.
Watch what you say. I've been down twice this month, haven't gone near MS yet because of the lines. We used to ride MS 2-3 times a trip, just because we could. Saturday, line was out to the train tracks.
WhyBoblo said:
Watch what you say. I've been down twice this month, haven't gone near MS yet because of the lines. We used to ride MS 2-3 times a trip, just because we could. Saturday, line was out to the train tracks.
I didn't say MS is comming down, but who knows what the future holds. The line was out to the train tracks because it was Saturday.
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nightride said:
And I am awear that Mean Stread is the highest maintainence ride there, so if they couldn't maintain it, it should have never been installed in the first place.
Mean Streak probably is the highest maintenance ride at CP, but it is also nicely maintained. They have a crew of carpenters that are assigned to the ride, lack of maintenance is not an issue. You are wrong in saying they can't maintain it, CP keeps the coaster in excellent condition, except for the sometimes lack of lubricant on the track..
I do not find Mean Streak to be unusually rough for a wooden coaster, especially a huge wood coaster. Some smaller coasters are rougher, notably Raging Wolf Bobs, which before this years maintenance had terrible track.
Mean Streak's problem is that the profile was designed to be more of a family ride than a high thrill ride. Which, IMHO, was a bad design decision. You have a coaster that rides like a high speed wood coaster, which may put off some "family" riders. And, you also have a coaster that looks absolutely beautiful and intense from the ground, but the profile doesn't satisfy many coaster riders looking for a great thrill. The coaster looks much more thrilling from the ground than it actually rides. So, the coaster finds it hard to please either group. I guarantee you, if Mean Streak were to have ejector air over every hill, coaster enthusiasts would be raving about it and roughness would not be an issue.
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I'd love to see them take the trims off, too. I'd love to ride it without them (I never got to CP during its "glory days") to see if it could be more than a "it'll kill some time" ride in my opinion.
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Aaawww, bad day? Take a different perspective on things. Try upside down, a barrel roll, a cobra roll or a corkscrew. Life can't be all that bad when your feet are over your head!
Bull crap! Mean Streak was *not* designed as a family coaster. It was designed to highlight speed over airtime, and it has done so quite well since opening, even with ongoing "roughness" problems.
People, stop judging Mean Streak for what you *wish* it was and instead for what it was designed to offer. And for god's sake if you don't enjoy it, don't ride it! It will mean a shorter line and save the rest of us from hearing your constant complaining!
mOOSH - hopes Cedar Point never, ever get's a huge, airtime-filled Intamin Plug-n-Play
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"I don't like poop singers." Peabody, discussing American Idol.
Anyway as I said before when opened MS had 3 or 4 spots of air compared to the one now. It was fast, furious, and unfortunately horribly desgined. It was tearing itself to pieces. The first drop trims were added to rectify this and the midcourse slowed the ride down even more.
It is not THAT rough. It's little Brother Texas Giant is just as rough. Heck even the much much smaller Racer at PKI is rougher then MS.
I would expect taht over the 12 years of it's existence at least 30 million or so has been poured into the never ending money pit that is MS. And no friggin Intamin Plug n Play (such a dumb friggin name for a system that is really no different from any other woodie as we will see over time) track is going to fix it.
If there were an easy answer CP woudl have done it LONG ago. With such terrible return with MS you can see why CF hasn't built anymore wood since.
Short lines have no basis, all that matters is that each and everyone of those seats on every train is full. Which is seen time and time again.
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God bless Intamin, Company that I love. Stand beside her, and ride her, from the opening to the closing of the day.
MagnumForce said:
PFF you are a crack baby.If there were an easy answer CP woudl have done it LONG ago. With such terrible return with MS you can see why CF hasn't built anymore wood since.
Short lines have no basis, all that matters is that each and everyone of those seats on every train is full. Which is seen time and time again.
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God bless Intamin, Company that I love. Stand beside her, and ride her, from the opening to the closing of the day.
You're forgetting Ghost Rider at Knott's Berry Farm.
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"I don't like poop singers." Peabody, discussing American Idol.
People, stop judging Mean Streak for what you *wish* it was and instead for what it was designed to offer.
The problem is, I'm not judging it on what I'd like it to be...I'm judging it on what it WAS, before they found out it had "maintenance issues". In the early days, when it ran full tilt, it didn't beat the public up like it does now, and it was fast. It was never a favorite, but it didn't jostle a person into a headache. I know what the ride is capable of when it isn't braked to a snail's pace. That's all I want, the Mean Streak of year one. As my homemade shirts says, "If you build it, let it run", and that applies to Hercules too.
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Goccvp1
SFGAm...When you need a good example of a SF park, this is where you look.
*** This post was edited by Goccvp1 5/20/2003 6:00:10 PM ***
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