Maverick Opening Delayed til June!

The fanboy who's username is the same as a coaster at Cedar Point wrote:

Frankly, that generalization (I think Cedar Point is awesome = You're a fanboy) is pretty lame - as if the word wasn't used too liberally in the first place.

What's wrong with being a fanboy? I'm a Holilday World fanboy. And a Indiana Beach fanboy. And a Knoebels fanboy. I'm not ashamed to admit it. Why are you bothered by being called a Cedar Point fanboy? ;)

There's obviously going to be some fanboy element in any discussion where people feel passionately about something, and I see how it was brought into this particular thread.

I agree. There will also be a high geek factor too -- of which I am definitely guilty of. ;)

Just because it's "cool" to like small parks or to hate a park like Cedar Point, doesn't mean all Cedar Point enthusiasts are fanboys.

I never said I hated Cedar Point. In fact I enjoy visiting the park every few years or so. What I like -- or don't like -- has nothing to be with acting or wanting to appear cool. I'm way too cool for that already ;)

Are we to the point where you're in a higher enthusiast class if you prefer parks like Indiana Beach or the omnipotent Holiday World?

No. We're to a point where you like what you like and I like what I like. Its just that what I like makes me a better enthusiast than you ;)

mOOSH [kidding, of course]

*** Edited 5/10/2007 12:25:22 AM UTC by Mamoosh***

Ok, I've got to jump in. I'm a Cedar Point fanboy. Was when I was 12. Still am at 47 and will continue to be -even if Maverick never runs.

I'm also a Knoebels fanboy. Indiana Beach, too. I can't get enough Disney World or Arnold's Park - and many in between.

What does that make me?

Life's just too damn short. Some folks take this stuff way to seriously.

Amen Chaindog ;)

i'll get over it

I am headed to Cedar Point May 15 - 18, and Kennywood on the 19th. Sure I am bummed out that Maverick won't be open, but oh well. There are plenty of other coasters to ride. I just won't get to ride until my fall visit.

Sure I could complain that I already booked a room at the Breakers, and Maverick won't be open. Waaaaaaah!!! Waaaaaah!!! I would have gone to CP if they hadn't added Maverick anyway.

Just wanted to share a dream I had last night that was quite amusing... ::chuckles::

They put the Son of Beast loop on Maverick, where they removed the heartline roll, painted it red, and it was actually Quite fun. lol

It's funny how the human brain can think of the impossible, as something real, and you can remember it the next day. LOL *** Edited 5/10/2007 3:59:47 AM UTC by xX eNeRtIa Xx***

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Mamoosh said:
What's wrong with being a fanboy?

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So you were being complimentary earlier in the thread? :)

I wasn't insulted ;)

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Beast Fan said:
http://www.biausa.org/Images/blueRibbon/graphMbig.gif
http://www.biausa.org/Pages/blue_final_report.html

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Thanks a lot for these interesting links!!
:)

They are only replacing 3 40' sections of track. Can this system perform a 360* roll in only 120'? I'm guessing slight profile/structural changes and not elimination of the entire element.

The thing I don't understand is that it's not like Intamin, or Stengel for that matter, don't know how to design the 'heartline roll'. Granted, this is the first one that is being done horizontally, but, isn't the roll the same basic design that TTD uses on the downward trip, or even WT uses as a spike???? If so, then the horizontal aspect of this must have created a totally different dimension of stresses.

And in my opionion, they could take out the element and replace it with a 'trick-track' type of fly-by next to the rocks.....I hope they don't, of course...

I hope they simply extend the spin so it's less agressive but still an inversion

If you look at Furius Baco at Port Adventura, that coaster has a similar high speed, flat heartline roll and if you watch the you tube video of the ride testing, it FLIES through that element.

http://www.rcdb.com/id3430.htm

Makes you wonder if that coaster will have a similar problem, and if not, why this coaster can handle it and not Maverick.

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SVLFever said:
The thing I don't understand is that it's not like Intamin, or Stengel for that matter, don't know how to design the 'heartline roll'. Granted, this is the first one that is being done horizontally, but, isn't the roll the same basic design that TTD uses on the downward trip, or even WT uses as a spike???? If so, then the horizontal aspect of this must have created a totally different dimension of stresses.

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Actually, it's not even the first horizontal one. All of the Intamin 8 inversion and 10 inversion coasters have multiple horizontal heartline rolls. The big difference in those is that they come towards the end of the ride where a lot of speed has already been burned off. Maverick's is almost ground level and comes after a launch.

I can't really comment on Furious Baco, but I'd be curious to see how many Gs it pulls through the heartline.

- Aaron K

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Gemini said:

Frankly, that generalization (I think Cedar Point is awesome = You're a fanboy) is pretty lame - as if the word wasn't used too liberally in the first place. There's obviously going to be some fanboy element in any discussion where people feel passionately about something, and I see how it was brought into this particular thread. But it seems like some try to manufacture elitism. Are we to the point where you're in a higher enthusiast class if you prefer parks like Indiana Beach or the omnipotent Holiday World?

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I'm going to respond to the same thing Moosh did, but my response isn't going to include any smiley faces.

I think it's pretty ironic how it's okay to defend the "fanboy element" when a park like Cedar Point is the topic of conversation, yet when people talk highly of a park like Conneaut Lake, the emotional side of the debate is dismissed because it conflicts with the business aspect of enthusiasm. Why is it okay to be passionate about Cedar Point but people who are passionate about Conneaut Lake are regarded as blind, narrow-minded morons not capable of seeing the big picture like the self-proclaimed business gurus on this site?

If there is any shred of elitism on this site, it's definitely in favor of the park in Sandusky. A thread about Cedar Fair's dividends will get many more responses than a thread about a new wood coaster being built in Kemah, TX. It's no secret that Coasterbuzz is regarded by many in the industry as a homebase for many Cedar Point fans. I'm sure that stems from its Guide to the Point origins. Talk harshly about any other park in the world and there will be a lot of people that will agree with you. Talk harshly about Cedar Point and it won't take long for someone to chime in with a response that reads much like a Cedar Fair press release.

And believe it or not, I'm okay with that. You know why? Because while I appreciate Cedar Point for what it is, I appreciate other parks for what they are even more and I do everything I can to bring attention to them on popular sites such as this one. It's not about making noise, about being the squeaky wheel- it's about talking about the little parks that don't get nearly the respect that they deserve from the online enthusiast community. I don't think that makes anyone an elitist, that just makes the people that support those parks very passionate and emotional about their brand of enthusiasm.

Of course, there are people who outright say there are certain parks they have no desire to visit, and that's a bit irritating because they are often very vocal about those parks. To me, those are the elitists- they talk up the parks they love while continuing to talk trash about the parks that they have no interest in. The way I see it, if you're going to call yourself an enthusiast (keeping in mind that spending hours on an enthusiast site makes you an enthusiast, regardless of whether you admit it or not), you should be open-minded to the fact that enthusiasm extends far beyond the stock symbol for Cedar Fair and parks associated with that company.

That does it! NO MORE LIKING CEDAR POINT! All-a-yous! Geez.

People talk more about a park that gets 3 million visitors and the most coasters on a coaster site than a park that very few people visit and has one coaster? What are the odds?

Sucks, I was going to skip class next week to go ride it!! Oh well, I'll definitely hit up CP a couple times this year.

Is everything Jeff says sarcastic?

As usual, you miss my point entirely.

Following that logic, people should talk about ALL Disney parks, ALL Sea World parks, ALL Universal parks, BGA and Great Adventure (a few right off the top of my head) more than they talk about Cedar Point. My whole statement was not so much about people talking about Cedar Point more than other parks (although it was a point I made), it was about how people who talk highly of Cedar Point are being emotional about their hobby while people that talk highly of smaller, lesser-loved parks are called elitists.

Why do you precede every post with "as usual" or some other smartass remark? Maybe that's why I never see your "point." You compared CP instances to Conneaut, not CP to Disney or whatever.

I know it comes as a complete shocker, but maybe, just maybe, people speak highly of the park because it's actually a pretty good park by the majority's standards. If that's the case, you don't need to agree with it, but you don't need to complain about it all of the time too.