Maverick Opening Delayed til June!

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Jeff said:
You mean the big picture according to Rob Ascough, right?

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That's exactly right. I argue the big picture according to Rob Ascough, just like you argue the big picture according to Jeff Putz. Rollergator argues the big picture according to rollergator, Mamoosh argues the big picture according to Mamoosh, millrace argues the big picture according to millrace and Lord Gonchar argues the big picture according to Lord Gonchar. In the end, how are any of us any different from one another in that regard?

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You have a tendency to argue slightly related points that aren't relevant to the core discussion

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No, I just bring something else to the discussion. Instead of going on about how great Cedar Point is, I chose to question their choice of contracting Intamin to build them another coaster (which, oddly enough, is something you also did). In the Conneaut thread, I've been telling people that the park should stay closed for 2007 and try to reopen with all guns a'-blazin' in 2008- something which wasn't part of that discussion either.

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If I remember correctly, you're annoyed or something that people are defending CP for closing the ride and fixing it. Am I right there? Is that annoying because no one will defend Conneaut Lake? I'm trying very hard to see your big picture, but I don't.

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That's not right. I'm not annoyed that people are defending the park in this particular situation, I'm annoyed that people defend Cedar Point regardless of what happens, and when I (or someone else) says something about that, I'm accused of being anti-Cedar Point or classifying all the CP lovers as fanboys/fangirls. It's basically the same as you getting annoyed that people don't want to accept what you say about Conneaut no longer being a viable business.

Am I upset that no one will defend Conneaut? Of course not, because it's not true- there seem to be quite a few people around here that defend the park. I just get upset because Cedar Point fans are considered beyond criticism while Conneaut fans are considered unrealistic.

WOW! This is a thread and a half.
I'm trying to plan a trip to CP this year for a four night stay, and boo buzz if its a go. I'm lucky if I get the chance to ride a U.S. coaster this year period. PCW rules! ;)

What ever happened to Coasterbuzz?

Elitism.

Maybe running empty trains doesn't stress them as much as full trains would, if it stresses them at all. There's no way to know what's wrong unless the trains are run, and it might take multiple times.

I've never been to CP, but I'd like to get up there someday. I've heard a LOT of good things about the park, and it's made me want to see it for myself. It sucks that the park has to deal with this, but it seems to me they're dealing with it the best they can, and that they'd LOVE to get Maverick open asap. It's a 21 million dollar investment, remember, and they want to see riders on it.

Mini Trip Report: The ride sat silent all day today. I was impressed with the ride back in Oct when I visited, and now that Ive seen it again, alls that I have to say is wow. This ride is going to be amazing. Also, I dont know who let that zero g roll get off the drawing board, the flip happens in just one section. Thankfully, the way the ride slopes in and out of it I think they will be able to strech it out and keep the inversion (lets hope.)

Ill add a trip report tomorrow but I will say the short of it now. The place was packed today, a whole bunch of busses were there, Mean Streak and TTD had a rough day, and even Magnum was down a fair bit (but when she was up, man was that ride flying today as was the Gemini.) This was way to long of a winter, and man am I not in park shape, Im acheing all over right now. Time for bed.

^^ I'm sure empty trains don't stress the ride's structure and track as full ones would, but the ride was designed to run with trains full of people so it might not be possible to run the ride with empty trains. Most- if not all- new coasters are tested with weight in the trains, usually supplied by water bottle dummies.

It's totally possible to run empty trains. They've been doing it on Maverick for days. Plus, every morning each ride is run empty a couple times to test. After someone vomits and the train is cleaned, it's run empty to dry it out too. :)

They probably didn't run Maverick today so people didn't think it was open. Nothing like teasing people on opening day by running a brand new ride they can't get on.

They already know that the ride is defective, so what good would more test runs be? All it would amount to is extra stress on the trains; they're going to have to start testing back at square one after they replace the track. *** Edited 5/13/2007 5:27:21 AM UTC by PhantomTails***

Trying to avoid another son of beast moment. I can't blame them, because their still being sued out of their mind right now. And who knows this could be their insurence company talking. At least we it was not like TTD were some of us rode and told us how great it was and by the time we got a chance to ride it it was broken down. So they learned their lesson and solved the probelm before something went wrong and then more people would them.

Probably testing it more-so to ensure the computer systems and blocking are free of issues, and not so much on rider forces and such so when the new track is put in, they just need to focus on the other aspects of testing.

^I agree. I also wondered if Ohio law allows the ride to complete it's inspection prior to the change of track.

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Rob Ascough said:
I'm not annoyed that people are defending the park in this particular situation, I'm annoyed that people defend Cedar Point regardless of what happens, and when I (or someone else) says something about that, I'm accused of being anti-Cedar Point or classifying all the CP lovers as fanboys/fangirls. It's basically the same as you getting annoyed that people don't want to accept what you say about Conneaut no longer being a viable business.

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It's not the same at all. I don't get annoyed. That's just it, I don't care if Conneaut lives or dies. I'm just realistic about its chances.

And you are anti-CP, because when you run out of arguments to save Conneaut, you bring up how people defend CP, as in your quote above.

By the way, stand by for my rant on CP food...

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Jeff said:
. That's just it, I don't care if Conneaut lives or dies. ...

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I find that to be a odd statement from someone who runs a coaster site.I thought enthusiasts enjoyed ALL parks and coasters(granted,everyone has different favorites)."I" am upset when ANY park closes,thats one less coaster I will be able to ride anymore.It was even sad to see Erieview close.

Every park is different in its own way,big or small,each one has something unique to offer.Hate to see that go away...

I care alot if Conneaut would close,thats one of the last remaining Vettel coasters left to ride.Even though is not one of the biggest or fastest coaster to ride like some "other" park may have,its still fun to ride,and it has some historical value. *** Edited 5/14/2007 1:40:49 AM UTC by Ex_Westview and KW_worker***

You can't say anything anti-Cedar Point on this site. The Webmaster will chew your head off! lol.

You can only make negative comments about CP if Jeff agrees with you. Otherwise they're without merit or thought. :)

I love it, this thread morphed from discussing about Mavrick and how its not opening, to trying to figure out why it didnt open, into a philosophical discussion on how CP has too many fanboys, to an fanboys vs. haters (because when it comes to CP we are apperently just as polarized as say California and Kansas are) to accusations of not being allowed to post an anti CP comment.

Come on folks, at this point every park is open, lets cut the off season crud ;).

Couldn't we discuss global warming, abortion, etc...? You know...something a little less polarizing. :)

PTC trains vs MF trains :)

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Jeff said:
I don't get annoyed.

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Sure you do. Sarcasm and snotty remarks stem from being annoyed. It's not that I really care- I'm a big boy and that kind of stuff doesn't really hurt my feelings... it's not like I go running to my wife to dry the tears in my eyes or anything like that. It's just a little difficult to carry on a serious debate when the other person's response to a point being made is to put the other person down.

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That's just it, I don't care if Conneaut lives or dies.

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And that's fine- you're free to think what you want and express what you want, especially on your own site. But it goes back to what I just said- just because others disagree with your indifference, that shouldn't make them targets for sarcastic remarks. That shouldn't get them labeled as unrealistic. And that shouldn't mean they get referred to as anti-CP or anti-any other park. A love for Conneaut doesn't indicate a hatred of Cedar Point.

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And you are anti-CP, because when you run out of arguments to save Conneaut, you bring up how people defend CP, as in your quote above.

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Not that I expect you to hang on my every word but I've been around here a while and if you think that is all I have to say, you really know nothing at all about my history here. Both Conneaut and Cedar Point are things I don't happen to talk to much about- the only time I really get into a Conneaut discussion is early spring when the annual dose of bad news starts to circulate. I know for a fact that I rarely say anything bad about Cedar Point, so let's not even go there.

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By the way, stand by for my rant on CP food...

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Funny, I can't really complain about Cedar Point's food. The park remains one of the only places I can find elephant ears. I love those silly things.

*** Edited 5/14/2007 2:44:54 AM UTC by Rob Ascough***