Maverick Opening Delayed til June!

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Mamoosh said:
But those of us who don't think CP is awesome -- such as yours truly -- look at those of you who do think it's awesome as ravenous fan boys, lol ;)

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Frankly, that generalization (I think Cedar Point is awesome = You're a fanboy) is pretty lame - as if the word wasn't used too liberally in the first place. There's obviously going to be some fanboy element in any discussion where people feel passionately about something, and I see how it was brought into this particular thread. But it seems like some try to manufacture elitism. Are we to the point where you're in a higher enthusiast class if you prefer parks like Indiana Beach or the omnipotent Holiday World?

Just because it's "cool" to like small parks or to hate a park like Cedar Point, doesn't mean all Cedar Point enthusiasts are fanboys.

This article was written for the gaming community, but it is a good read for this community.

*** Edited 5/9/2007 2:36:33 PM UTC by Gemini***

^I think the line lies *somewhere* around the point where someone says "a park isn't worth my time to visit if it DOESN'T have a dozen or so coasters".

Of course, it's important to note that there is ALSO a line on the other side.... ;)

Everyone has their own preferences so why should we care if Enthusiast X doesn't want to visit a park that has less than 5 coasters?

We get our kicks differently which is why we like certain parks and not others to begin with.

The 'CP is above criticism and to hell with guests scheduling vacations months in advance, traveling X hundred miles and booking rooms because I LURVES MA SEEDER POINTS' is only at least 50 times more absurd.

They're a business. It's their job to make smart decisions that make their guests happy. And when they booger one up with the same company that boogered up how many other installations at the same park already? It might not be the best time to display the cinched-up frilly undies.

Next month? Maybe. Right now? Not so much.

-CO

Those of us who like small parks like them because we truly like them, not because it's "cool" to do so. If you think Cedar Point is awesome, good for you. I really enjoy the place myself, but I enjoy many other smaller parks just as much if not more.

It has nothing to do with being "cool." It's the quality of the content, not the quantity of it. 17 coasters sounds cool, but not if most of them are mediocre and they have nothing else to do (not saying CP has nothing else to do). I prefer a variety of coasters AND flat rides. Often times the big parks have lots of coasters, but few flatrides, and the ones that they do have are often really short cycled or tame.

In other words, we're not all just COASTER enthusiasts. Many of us are PARK enthusiasts. On top of that, many of us MUCH prefer wood coasters to steel coasters, and Cedar Point does not fill that need very well despite having two of them. Again, it's the quality, not the quantity. *** Edited 5/9/2007 3:31:56 PM UTC by Acoustic Viscosity***

^So, what you're saying is that if a park does NOT have good quality WOODEN coaster(s) then the rest of their coaster lineup is just of quantity?

I never implied that people go to small parks because it's trendy in the enthusiast community. At the same time, you can't ignore that a certain amount of snobbery exists.

It's not Us versus Them. There is no difference between someone who loves Park A, but is indifferent about Park B and someone who loves Park B and is indifferent about Park A. Who cares if you don't understand the other person's preference or if you think their reasons for liking the park are stupid?

i am really curious to hear what exactly the problem is.
The heartline roll also struck me as a somewhat extreme element in this ride (personally, I never really liked the new Intamin policy to hang riders on their heads, even though the newer restraint systems may allow it).
But was it the forces the were kind of unpleasant going from 3+ Gs in the helix to -1 G in the heartline roll in an instant, or was it indeed the stress on the wheels that lead to the decision?
It's just an interesting case.

From what I've read, it was stress on the trains. It was on newsnet5's site, but now it's gone.

Superman:

There are limits on acceleraton regarding from going to positive to negative g's in ASTM F24. For a specific graph on what is acceptable try this link, and go to figure 11. However I am sure Intamin's engineers were aware and would design their elements and transitions to meet ASTM or any international standards.

http://www.biausa.org/Images/blueRibbon/graphMbig.gif

http://www.biausa.org/Pages/blue_final_report.html

From what I have read it does seem that the issue with this heartline element has to do with the stress on the trains and perhaps rider comfort. This leads me to believe that the issue might be of the roll rate that the train has to navigate for this transition. I am sure Cedar Point and all the guest that were plannng to visit Cedar Point soon (including me) are disappointed. I really don't think its fair or easy to conclude whether Stengel's office or Intamin is responsible for the delay. It takes a great deal of technical knowledge to design these things and even with all the computer aided design programs FEA, sold modeling, etc, its still a complex process to design a roller coaster. With that being said it will be interesting to see if the heartline is streched out more or removed, and how long it takes to get it open.

For someone who greatly prefers wood to steel (guilty!), it may not matter how great a park's steel coasters are (great relative to steel coasters) if they don't have a good wooden coaster. In other words a woodie enthusiast may go to a park with a top 20 woodie over a park with a top 5 steelie.

That said, I really enjoy Cedar Point's coasters, probably more than most of the wood coaster buffs around here. And I won't deny that there is some snobbery, but a lot of that isn't intended. Much of this alleged snobbery is just teasing. And I think most of us who prefer wood and small parks sincerely feel that way and are not just trying to put down the Cedar Point fans. *** Edited 5/9/2007 5:38:49 PM UTC by Acoustic Viscosity***

Eltoro was well worth the wait and I think Maverick will be too.

I wish the word "fanboy" could be outlawed in coaster-speak. It's just way too handy. Don't feel you have a strong enough argument? Irritated that someone could feel passionate about something you don't? Just throw in a "fanboy", and you've won! (rolls eyes).

Since the "outlawing" isn't possible, you might as well take it as a compliment. ;)

^^ To me, a *very good* wooden coaster is about as enjoyable as a GREAT steel coaster. A *great* wooden coaster...is comparable only to that off-the-hook THING in Agawam, MA.

Parks are parks, I probably care as much or more about the PEOPLE staffing the place as I do about the rides...

The only opinion that's "stupid"...is the one that says other people's opinions have no validity... ;)

I'm a fanboy! :)

Both kinds of coasters are great. Coasters arnt the only thing at the park, they need a good seletion of flats. If a park has a good selection of flats then you have a easier time having fun. Flats are glue that old a park together. :>

...and a rolling Maverick gathers no moss.
:)

A coaster's enjoyment is in the eyes and seat of the rider. For example, a lot of people dislike Mean Streak, but i enjoy it.

And I really enjoy Disaster Transport and Iron Dragon.

^ And I'm not the biggest fan of Mean Streak, Disaster Transport, or Iron Dragon. So that goes to show you that every one has their own feelings when it comes to coasters.