Magic Mountain Gay Pride Night

I see no problem with a straight couple holding hands in public, just as I believe a gay couple should be able to do the same thing. I like to hold my partners hand in public but we have had to endure some very hateful remarks from people around us. It is easy to say "just ignore it" or "who cares what other people think", but unless it has happened to you you do not understand how it feels. Gay bashing is still a real danger, maybe not as much as 20 years ago but it is still there.

The comfort level is why I enjoy the private events. I can hold my partners hand and not have to worry that some jerk is going yell hateful remarks at us (or worse).

I do aggree with CD, holding hands in public is a great way to show you are proud of yourself and comfortable with who you are. Although it is not always easy.

Jeff,I think we agree, but have different definitions going on here. To me, kissing != making out. Kissing is tamer, short smooches, to show affection. Appropriate for parks, etc. Making out (deep tongue kissing) is what you're thinking, and I agree that's a bit much for parks (although it doesn't bother me). When CoasterDemon said kissing, I assume he meant the tamer variety. Not too many people would condone full-on making out in a family setting. If yo read my reply, you notice I differentiate between the two.

Oh, of course, it's my lack of reading comprehension. You seem to say that a lot. Perhaps it's not the readers.

Ahh.. unfortunately, I don't have time to get into "reading comprehension" debates, especially with the site admin... and especially when you seem determined to merely insult me instead of discussing..?? :) Also not sure about the "a lot" comment, considering I haven't even logged in here in months... *shrug* I think I made my point pretty clearly, and clarified even more clearly.

^^Yes, Jeff, I need to work on my explaining and writing skiills :) I agree with that.

No matter which way you look at it (writer or reader) there will always be a struggle communicating on a written forum as this. I may not explain everything clearly with proper grammar, and readers will reply while ignoring every other sentence (perhaps subconsciously). No biggie :)

I use an awful lot of italics, punctuation, quotes, bold, ass-terisks, and the like...all in an effort to make my meaning as clear as possible.

Does it work? Beats me, I understood it perfectly when I typed it in... ;)

^That's good gator! I see your point.

I think it works if someone tries to meet you half way; if they are open to understanding ;)

CoasterDemon said:
I think it works if someone tries to meet you half way; if they are open to understanding ;)

Because anyone who disagrees clearly doesn't just disagree, they're not open to understanding.

Sigh.

CoasterDemon, I think you misunderstood me. I'm not better-than, I'm just equal to. Just like you don't like to associate with certain groups of people, nor do I. You talk about your comfort zone, well dealing with fems puts me outside of mine. It's not that I'm better or can't accept them for who they are, I just prefer the company of another type of person.

Congratulations on your 23 months of being sober. Well done, mate!

What Gonch said. I can't stand that passive-aggressive nonsense. It's just as bad as the "you can't read" comments.

^Thanks Kevin :)

I hear you being uncomfortable, I can understand that. One thing I like to remind people, though, is that many of the queeniest, flamboyant, etc., types, are the ones that faught so we can be where we are today. And they continue to fight and stand up.

Not being flamboyant myself, how can I be of help to our community? I can stand up, hold hands with my boyfriend when its NOT gay day, and explain to people how they may be harming others when they use the 'f' word. Others that may have been gay bashed, beaten, may be killed, harassed, and made to feel like there is something wrong with themselves. The ones that are in the closet and struggling with it.

CoasterDemon said: ...and explain to people how they may be harming others when they use the 'f' word.

Wait...fabulous is harming? ;)

^No, "fabulous" is charming.

The *other* F-word....has no place in (polite) society.

FWIW, my inner feminist tells me I should also state that dergoatory usage of female body parts to denigrate another human's "manhood"....is just as bad. That kind of language reflects more on the speaker than on the intended target/victim... ;)

This thread is gay.

/well somebody had to say it ;)

//had his first homophobic incident in the new neighbourhood today - lovely...

Wow, an invy post!

More of an outvy post...get it? ;)

CoasterDemon said:

I hear you being uncomfortable, I can understand that. One thing I like to remind people, though, is that many of the queeniest, flamboyant, etc., types, are the ones that faught so we can be where we are today. And they continue to fight and stand up.

Not being flamboyant myself, how can I be of help to our community? I can stand up, hold hands with my boyfriend when its NOT gay day...

I have a problem with the line of thinking that you seem to be supporting. I understand that you feel like you should hold hands with your boyfriend in public when it's not gay day, and that's great! You're out and you're proud and nothing anybody can say or do should ever change that because it's great.

What I take issue with is your characterization of gays who don't actively 'do things for the [gay] community' as somehow being 'worse gays' than people who do. If it's not in your comfort zone to hold hands in public, or you prefer to play the blend-in game or wait till you're asked before revealing that you're gay, that's your choice and you're no better/worse of a person than someone that walks up to his new neighbor with his partner and says 'Hi, we live next door, and we're gay'. It's their choice, and it's that simple.

No part of being gay mandates that you be an active and 'contributing' member of the gay community. What's so wrong about "just" being an active and contributing (and yes, gay) member of your own community (community, in this case, not having the faintest connection to anyone's sexuality).

Mamoosh said:
More of an outvy post...get it? ;)

Where's that Like button? :)

Gee, thanks. Now I'm not sure I do enough for the straight community.

I need to go back around to everyone on the cul-de-sac and introduce myself as straight...just in case.

BBSpeed26 said:
No part of being gay mandates that you be an active and 'contributing' member of the gay community. What's so wrong about "just" being an active and contributing (and yes, gay) member of your own community (community, in this case, not having the faintest connection to anyone's sexuality).

Yes! Seems to me that would be the best way to help the gay community as well. Why take it upon yourself to draw a line in the first place...especially in the name of erasing those lines. Doesn't make sense to me.

(but what do I know, I like girls...curvy, soft girls...mmmmm)

For what it's worth, I've seen some curvy, soft guys out there too...