Magic Mountain Gay Pride Night

Jeff said:
I want a shirt that says, "God loves everyone, even morons like you."

That would be a great CoasterBuzz branded shirt... when can I order one?

^How about a shirt that says "I don't understand you, so I call you names" ? Maybe doesn't have the same pop ring to it :)

You can wear that one and I'll wear the "You don't agree with me, therefore you can't read" shirt. :)

Zakkster said:

Moosh, I wear a size 13 1/2 shoe and have really big hands (size 16 ring finger)... ;)

What's the closest airport to Lakewood, OH? ;)

Yes in chrstianity God loves everyone, but that doesn't mean that being gay is not a sin. If people don't like it they can find another religion. They shouldn't try and warp a religion to fit their views. It really bothers me when people get mad when people say its a sin. Its wrong to say god hates fags or treat them badly but disagreeing with a lifestyle is fine.

Yes in chrstianity God loves everyone, but that doesn't mean that being gay is not a sin.

Actually, not trying to sound preachy, but the bible doesn't say that 'being gay' is a sin. For someone to 'be gay', or to be homosexual, and for that to be a sin, would imply that being gay is a choice.

The bible does address homosexual acts, and many religious leaders will quote 1 Corinthians 6 where it does discuss actions that would lead people to not inherit the kingdom of God. However, what is talked about are actions, and even more so, it goes on to say "And yet that is what some of you were [doing]", meaning that those people stopped doing the things mentioned there (also including adultery, idolatry, and others).

Sins are things we do. Regardless of what your religious or moral beliefs are on the subject, 'being' something, i.e. not having a choice about it, isn't in and of itself a sin. The decisions we make and the things we do are what leads to sin, which is defined as "the concept of acts that violate a moral rule".

If someone chooses to not follow a religion that says that this act or that act is wrong, regardless of their personal beliefs, then yes, they can choose another religion or decide to be religious without any specified religion.

And I agree with you that it is wrong to say what Fred Phelps likes to spout, or to abuse anyone. Any person who chooses to live their life by the bible should know that violence is something that God hates, regardless of who it is directed to. They should also know by reading the bible that people have free will and rights to live their life the way the choose to.

Not advocating or preaching, just presenting facts.

BDesvignes said:
If people don't like it they can find another religion. They shouldn't try and warp a religion to fit their views.

And yet, that's what many people (who don't believe the Bible is inherently anti-gay) would say you're doing by using religion to justify your views.

-Nate

When I say god loves everyone I don't mean people can do what they want and ignore his teachings which is what many people do.

Sorry I didn't specify the differnce between being gay and performing the act. I was equating the two as being the same which is incorrect. What I am saying is don't try and change the religion to allow for what you want to do.

coasterdude318 said:

BDesvignes said:
If people don't like it they can find another religion. They shouldn't try and warp a religion to fit their views.

And yet, that's what many people (who don't believe the Bible is inherently anti-gay) would say you're doing by using religion to justify your views.

-Nate

If I don't agree with the gay lifestyle that's my choice and there's nothing wrong with that. I don't carry signs denouncing it or yell at people I see. I don't treat them differently. I think a lot of things people do is wrong but that doesn't affect how I treat them.

The fact that you call being gay a 'lifestyle' says volumes to me.

I wish people would just leave religion out of the discussion. There are countless things people do every day that can be considered a "sin", including dishonesty and the hateful way we treat people. Yet every time the word "gay" is brought up, people run for their bibles, like there aren't millions of other reasons every day to do so. Everyone becomes a religious expert where homosexuality is concerned, but the simple act of kindness and charity is often overlooked. Sorry if I sound like a cynic, but I just don't buy it. It appears far too skewed towards one thing for me to take it seriously.

BDesvignes said:

If I don't agree with the gay lifestyle that's my choice and there's nothing wrong with that. I don't carry signs denouncing it or yell at people I see. I don't treat them differently. I think a lot of things people do is wrong but that doesn't affect how I treat them.

Jealous, party of one...your table is ready.

I guess my question would be what constitutes a 'religion' when the issue of 'changing it to meet your needs' arises. Which form of Christianity are we talking about? Plenty of sects and denominations claim to be "Bible-centric" and as close as possible to The Early Church™. If accepting gays is 'changing Christianity,' does that mean the United Church of Christ isn't Christian? Or does it just mean if you disagree with something your church is doing, you have to go start your own denomination if you want it to be different?

Mamoosh said:

BDesvignes said:

If I don't agree with the gay lifestyle that's my choice and there's nothing wrong with that. I don't carry signs denouncing it or yell at people I see. I don't treat them differently. I think a lot of things people do is wrong but that doesn't affect how I treat them.

Jealous, party of one...your table is ready.

What exactly am I jealous of?

Ensign Smith said:
The fact that you call being gay a 'lifestyle' says volumes to me.

A lifestyle is how a person lives. That's a neutral word I didn't use it incorrectly.

birdhombre said:
I guess my question would be what constitutes a 'religion' when the issue of 'changing it to meet your needs' arises. Which form of Christianity are we talking about? Plenty of sects and denominations claim to be "Bible-centric" and as close as possible to The Early Church™. If accepting gays is 'changing Christianity,' does that mean the United Church of Christ isn't Christian? Or does it just mean if you disagree with something your church is doing, you have to go start your own denomination if you want it to be different?

In my view a church claiming to be christian preaches that homosexual acts are ok they aren't really christian. Other people are free to think what they want. Just because I think that iit doesn't make me a bigot or hateful. Which is what people seem to think.

And therein lies the rub... you don't get to decide. To which you'll reply, "The Bible says" or "God says" or something like that. To which I will reply, "If you believe that's what it/He/She says, and I don't." You can't argue with what someone believes in. The only think you can say in a truly factual sense is that it's different than what you believe.

Ensign Smith said:
The fact that you call being gay a 'lifestyle' says volumes to me.

That always rubbed me a little sideways too. I don't go to bars or bath houses, hell, I don't even have sex. I don't wear gay clothes or eat gay food. But I'm still gay. Totally 100% homosexual to be exact (who would pick it? I tried the opposite, it didn't work).

BDesvignes, a good way of looking at it would be to put the word heterosexual in front of things that heterosexuals do. Would sound a little strange, wouldn't it? "I saw 2 heterosexuals walking down the street today, and they were holding hands!" / "My friends sometimes go to a heterosexual bar, they say the music is better."

Likewise, I can never understand when people say that being gay is my 'sexual preference'. To me, it's like saying Caucasian is my skin color preference and brown eyes are my eye color preference.

Since Christianity was brought up - I always wondered why some self-proclaimed Christians are vehemently against any form of abortion, but they are for the death penalty?! Using that example, it would now be wrong of me to assume that all Christians think that. (Sorry getting a little off topic, again, but I wonder about things).

Is being heterosexual a lifestyle? Is sexuality something people casually decide to do...just because? Do people realize how absurd that sounds? Straight people "make love" while gay people perform "acts", like a friggin circus?

See how slanted and loaded that is to one side. Exactly why I can't take it seriously. Even the verbage is bias and leading.

BDesvignes said:

Ensign Smith said:
The fact that you call being gay a 'lifestyle' says volumes to me.

A lifestyle is how a person lives. That's a neutral word I didn't use it incorrectly.

Yeah, it's a weasel word. You could be using according to that definition, or you could be using it this way:

life style: a manner of living that reflects the person's values and attitudes

That's the first definition that popped up on Google, by the way.