KKK plans protest at Dollywood on unofficial gay day
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Members of the Ku Klux Klan say they plan to stage a protest outside the Dollywood theme park in Pigeon Forge, Tenn., on Saturday, where several thousand gay and lesbian parkgoers are expected for a ''Gay Day'' event. About 20 protesters are expected.
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Imagine if one of them got caught behind an enthusiast wearing Gonchar's latest shirt...lol!!
Ha! We've road tested that shirt at a couple of parks and it certainly gets a reaction. Always good, of course :)
You're probably onto something with the sheer number of youth/church groups that frequent parks. For some reason that never occured to me.
What I don't get is that since gays are having so many roadblocks getting married, why not just invent a new institution?
The common (and not at all inaccurate) rebuttal is that history has shown that there can't be such a thing as "separate but equal." "Separate" is never equal.
Maybe you are in favor of Nambla which advocates in raping young boys. There is a few extreme gay groups out there as well.
Just an FYI, but most child molesters do not identify as homosexual. I'm sure many members of NAMBLA do not identify as homosexual either. Additionally, I'm quite sure the vast majority of homosexuals do not agree with or condone NAMBLA's agenda. To blame homosexuals for NAMBLA would be like blaming heterosexuals for an organization of men who wanted to sleep with little girls.
Reading your post, I have to laugh at your comment about visiting WDW during "gay days." Although I have not done so, I also have a hard time believing you have. From what I hear, things are pretty calm. I'd imagine you could easily count more heterosexuals making out on any given summer day at Cedar Point than homosexuals making out during WDW "gay days."
I don't think I've seen anyone here saying the KKK doesn't have a right to protest. I'd imagine most of the Dollywood unofficial gay day attendees would not say they don't have the right to protest either. Most homosexuals are pretty used to the protesters and bigots. I'm sure most won't even flinch at the KKK.
-Nate*** This post was edited by coasterdude318 5/19/2004 8:49:55 PM ***
TNCoaster said:
Let's look at the other extremist organizations like the NAACP...just to name a few
Yes, let's look at them. What's the NAACP's agenda? Teachin' people black folks are just as good as white folks? Letting them get good jobs? Better education so they can move into big ol' houses? Corrupt the pure white race by having their way with the womenfolk?
Spell it all out for us. We're listening...
-CO
First of all, the whole Bible thing is pure Bull Sh**. Find me one Christian who is anti-gay because the bible says so and hasn't had sex but the number of times as they have children. During slavery, weren't there sections in the bible interpreted to support slavery and that the white race is the superior race? I guess that interpretation was thrown out the door.
Also, the gay marriage thing. People say they don't have anything against gays, but them being married is wrong because it takes away from the sanctity of the marriage and marriage isn't as meaningful. Okay, if marriage isn't as meaningful because two people of the same sex can get married, then you MUST think of them as less of people, making you an arrogant a@@ and a walking contradiction. I could understand the fear if it really threatened heterosexuals in any way, but it really has no effect on them.
The attention thing and wearing the same shirts. Um, due to the extreme challenges GLBT's go through every day because of the severe hate society places on them, the t-shirts help them become part of a group. For one day they are not alone, a victim of ruthless hate, like a school of fish, they are stronger together, it gives a sense of security, it isn't to make sure EVERYBODY knows they are gay.
What I don't understand at all, is that, in the Christian religion (I'm Christian) God is the creator, he created all of us, we are what he made us, and God is flawless, he makes no mistakes, so how can he create a being that is sinning by being what he made them. It just doesn't make sense at all. How can a gay person be sinning their entire life by BEING what they are? So they give offering to the church, they are sinning giving offering because they are gay? They go to Africa and volunteer time for those struggling with AIDS, I suppose they are sinning there because they are gay. Gay is NOT a choice, how could it POSSIBLY be a choice when there are countless gays that enter deep clinical depression or even resort to suicide on that basis alone? If it was possible at all, even if it was very difficult to do so, I think some gays would turn straight, but it's not possible, that's why you don't see straights turning gay either. And, if I were gay, I might want to stay that way just to ensure that I didn't become as hateful as many straight people are.
Marriage laws have been established in the past, especially on interracial marriage, and they've all fallen through. Will America NEVER learn its lesson on hate? It's numbing to me that we can study the past and see the utter embarrassment we've brought upon ourselves by limiting rights to a different group of people when we pride ourselves on freedom and justice for ALL. Honestly, just think about it, I have yet to hear a significant argument to justify the banning of gay marriage because one does NOT exist, it's harmless, and it lets all people who are truly in love get married, no matter what the case may be.
Basically, I think the KKK needs to find a hobby. If they have time to come out to a theme park and ruin the day for park goers just to know that they are "helping educate society" they need some serious therapy.*** This post was edited by SFGAMDie HARD 5/19/2004 11:06:01 PM ***
coasterdude318 said:I'm sure many members of NAMBLA do not identify as homosexual either
Not to add much to the discussion, but I honestly thought that NAMBLA was something they made up on South Park. You mean it's real? Weird.
What's that saying? Don't feed the trolls? I think it would apply to this also.
What is so funny is they seem to have SO much time on their hands, like the whackos that are ALWAYS protesting outside of this adult bookstore off of I-81. Everytime I have passed by there they are ALWAYS there. They even have a sign posted....."PORN IS SOLD HERE!" or something like that. ;-) Do these people HAVE jobs? A life?
-Tina
*** This post was edited by coasterqueenTRN 5/20/2004 7:20:51 AM ***
for some it is okay to excercize other's freedom of speech by saying "First of all, the whole Bible thing is pure Bull Sh**." ... it's okay to compare the president (and those who support him) to the likes of the KKK... it's okay to paint all Christians and / or Conservatives with the, at best the, "prejudice" title, at worst with the ignorant title... its okay to spew what ever else you wish at people who do not agree with you...
However, let someone state, even insinuate, that certain factions of certain segements of society just might have an "agenda", and the venom suddenly starts flying...
Is it correct to assume that all homosexuals have an agenda? No. But is it correct to assume that the MINORITY, (those who attend demonstrations, wave the "rainbow" flag, etc) do? I think so. Is it correct that, on the other side of the aisle, the likes of the KKK / Nazi's, etc with their sheets, Confederate Flags, etc are vile and definately have a freightening agenda? Yes... that is quite correct. However, it is not correct to make the gernality that most Christians and / or conservatives agree or support them. Granted, some do (the recently banned TN what ever his name was, evidently was one of these)... the vast majority do not. That however is the assumption that I hear from some (many?)... "NO homosexuals have an agenda, but EVERY Christian / conservative a sheet wearing KKK member". HARDLY!
Funny how many on the side that preaches "acceptance" and "tolerance" the most can't be "tollerant" enough to "accept" that civil and rational people disagree with them and must therefore be equated to a hate group and must be silent.*** This post was edited by SLFAKE 5/20/2004 8:32:24 AM ***
Christians and conservatives don't all support the KKK and groups similar to them, but the MAJORITY are against the gays. I'm part of the methodist church, one of the only Christian establishments that accepts openly gay members. The topic of gay marriage within the Methodist Church may very well even be tearing the church apart, dividing into two new denominations of Christianity, all over the acceptance of gay marriage. Most other Christian and Mormon (sp?) establishments do not accept gays.
Oh, and using my comment about the bible was very clever, but very misleading, for I was referring to the bible declaring all gays are condemned to hell and all gays are lifetime sinners, not the bible itself.
Edit: And the whole gay "agenda" thing, the gays' only agenda is acceptance, a right that every human should seek and be granted. And what is wrong with rainbow flags?
*** This post was edited by SFGAMDie HARD 5/20/2004 9:33:52 AM ***
OK, SFGAMDie HARD, I have NO idea where you got that idea. The Bible is very pro-sex. There's an entire book of the Bible (Song of Solomon) that's all about two lovers having sex. You should try reading it.
Here's my opinion on the whole "choice, not a choice" thing. I believe the physical actions of being homosexual are a choice. However, I also believe that some people have strong homosexual tendencies. As far as I'm concerned, that doesn't matter. If you really want to be a dedicated Christian and you have such tendencies, you're going to have to work through them just like you'd work through the tendency to sin in other ways. If you don't want to be a Christian, well, go ahead and be gay, it doesn't matter.
For all we know, murderers are predisposed to killing as well - why do we still punish them if "that's who they are"? Just something to think about.
The thing that frustrates me the most about this is that there are "gay Christians" who want to get married and go to church and do all the Christian things - yet they pretend the commandments against homosexuality in the Bible aren't there. (It's in the New Testament, too, so don't say anything about those outdated rules for priests in Leviticus and how we don't follow all of them today). It's one thing to sin and ask forgiveness, but another to sin and believe you're not doing anything wrong.
Bottom line is, if you *ever* want *anyone* to change behavior that you consider wrong, first you're going to have to form a personal relationship with that person, then explain your feelings to them in a caring way. No gay person has ever become a Christian after reading a sign or being shouted at.
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Funny how many on the side that preaches "acceptance" and "tolerance" the most can't be "tollerant" enough to "accept" that civil and rational people disagree with them and must therefore be equated to a hate group and must be silent
Yeah. Nobody benefits when you promote HATRED! No matter what pretty ribbon you try and tie around it Hate is Hate and it is bad. Homosexuals have a unique ability to recognize hate a mile away...it's an innate defense mechanism. It's easy to take the context out of some of these more emotional posts because we have fiercely strong feelings about this, and rightly so because it is a static part of who we are - we can't change or alter it anymore than you can change or alter who you love. I'm going to get upset when YOU challenge me. You, because it's easy to cast stones when You are not being discriminated against in this world, isn't it? There is no justification to Hate; There is no benefit whatsoever to Hate. We all live in this one society, it is 2004, we all have to contribute to this world.
I, personally, can only listen to how much someone hates me because of something in the bible, and then I'm over it after about 1-second at this point in my life - and then yeah, i'm going to try and silence them!
I'm sorry, if I say "I don't agree with you on that", it is not "hate". It's not a threat, its not "offensive speech"... its only "offensive" because it is a differing opinion.
The Klan demonstrating at Dollywood on the so called Gay Day is done out of "hate", no question.
My chosing not to visit a park on a so called Gay Day is not done out of hate. It's done out of "disagreement"... and the fact that, as stated above, I don't like going to any park on any given "Day" because of the crowds.
You want to go there, fine, have a great time, knock yourself out. But don't tell me that I am "hateful" for chosing to stay away from there on that day.... and if, by accident I would be there on that day, don't say that I am "hateful" for not saying "oh, look how wonderful this all is!" and doing a little happy dance for ya'.
I encountered countless people in college, very intelligent people, that couldn't make a case for any religion beyond "the book says" or "I believe." Religion is irrelevant in this kind of discussion if not every party subscribes to the same religion, if any at all.
Bob O said:
As for the naacp, while they may claim to follow the teachings of Dr MLK...try to enforce racist polices of affirmative action where the color of one's skin means much more than the content of one's character or there actual ability to do a job or have the proper grades to be admitted into college.
Translation: The NAACP wants those people to take over the world. Say it out loud. Don't be a coward about it.
I'll let historian Roger Wilkins address that topic:
"Blacks have a 375-year history on this continent: 245 involving slavery, 100 involving discrimination, and only 30 involving anything else."
Affirmative action laws wouldn't even exist if society lived by the Civil Rights legislation passed in 1964. They literally had to be forced to do it! If it favored every minority in every instance, would it still create parity? I doubt it.
And even with greatly weakened civil rights laws, corporations are getting sued and losing. Why? People are unwilling to accept anyone who doesn't look, think or act just like them. It's...still...a...problem. Needless to say, threads and posts like these are proof.
-CO
Hate, however, is used by some as a respectable vehicle when religion is mixed in. That is what I object to. We clearly have a separation of church and state clause in the federal constitution of our government - it's pretty easy to me to understand why it is that way. When religious folk say I can't marry, or ___ because I'm gay - that is way more than a simple disagreement. Marriage is a civil issue, not a religious one. Therefore, it has nothing to do with religion. That's a fact, it is not debatable. There are tons of case law in our court system there to prove it further if wish to hunt for it.
The bigger point being, live and let live.
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