KKK plans protest at Dollywood on unofficial gay day

I am not familiar with the specific med school situation... the situation I am familiar with is schools that base their admission criteria on certain "points". Select minority groups get additional points for being part of that minority group.

When did the church or the president tell gays that they are "sub-human animals" that "deserve to be bashed or killed?" We can agree or disagree with each other, but let's not go overboard.

And all because they are constantly told day in and day out by the media, the church, their own families/friends, and even our own president, they they are sub-human animals that don't deserve the most basic human rights, and deserve to be bashed and killed for nothing more that who they are.

Wow. I'm pretty sure, jomo, that you've never been told by your church, your family, your friends, the president, or the Bible that you're subhuman and need to be killed. I think we've established that it's only the minority of idiots who say such things.

Shaggy, thanks for backing me up on the woman at the well. Playa, I never even implied that Jesus didn't think she was worthy. He offered her the "water of life," didn't he? You think Jesus approved of the way she was living?

This is not directed at anyone in particular here, just some general thoughts....

My opinion is that if you're going to have the belief that homosexuality is wrong because the bible says so -- and that's a persons prerogative to have said opinion -- than that person better be prepared to live their life to the letter of the bible. Everything from food preperation to the length of your hair to sexual matters are all spelled out in that book and you can't have it both ways. You can't pick and choose which parts of the bible you believe in.

It is my opinion that the reason the majority of religions consider homosexuality a sin is that the longeivity of the religion depends on a steady flow of new members, and sex between two people of the same gender does not result in procreation. If it did it wouldn't be considered a sin.

Just my 2 cents. Again, let me congratulate most everyone for keeping the conversation civil.

mOOSH

*** This post was edited by Mamoosh 5/20/2004 3:29:37 PM ***

He offered the water of life to everybody. He gave her a something more that he didn't give the Pharisees or even his own disciples at that time.

When you consider both her lifestyle and her cultural standing in those days, it stands in stark and undeniable contrast to any picket sign-waving, slogan-chanting Pseudochristian of today, doesn't it?

-'Playa

PS to Moosh: Your .02 cents? That's two-hundreths of a cent. What's that? One tenth of a grocery store coupon? ;)
*** This post was edited by CoastaPlaya 5/20/2004 3:21:57 PM ***

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that person better be prepared to live their life to the letter of the bible

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No one can do that. That's why Jesus came to earth, died, and then conquered death.

D'oh! Thanks, Playa...it's corrected.

Gemini - I'm condused. Jesus came to earth, dies, and was resurrected and because of that people can pick what parts of the bible that want to hold true? Am I missing something?

Moosh - the parts of the Bible you're referring to (i.e. rules about your hair, etc.) are in Leviticus, along with rules about homosexuality and other more serious stuff. Back in the days before Christ, Christians had to follow very strict rules such as these. I don't claim to understand everything about the Old Testament, but I do know that those rules do not apply to us - only to priests or some special section of Christians. I will look it up tonight and report back to you if you like.

Anyway, homosexuality also is condemned several times in the New Testament. That's why people "ignore" those "expired" rules in Leviticus.

But Gemini hit the nail on the head - "All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God."

Playa - I don't know what you're arguing now, but I agree with everything in your last post...

Christianity boils down to a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. You are saved because you put your faith in Him, not because you follow laws or rules.

As a Christian, I should use the Bible as a guide for my life because I want to become more Chirst-like ... but that doesn't "save" me - only my faith in Jesus does that.

As far as your specific examples, Jesus came to fulfill the law, not to destory it. You have to take the entire Bible in context - the Old Testament is only part of the story.

*** This post was edited by Gemini 5/20/2004 3:52:45 PM ***

"Wow. I'm pretty sure, jomo, that you've never been told by your church, your family, your friends, the president, or the Bible that you're subhuman and need to be killed."

It's more often demonstrated in actions than a insults or threats. But threats and insults DO happen more often than you may think.

A gay person may not be "told" to their face that they are subhuman, but they are often treated that way. They must tolerate snickers, whispers, rumors, knowing glances, being excluded etc. etc. etc.

By cause and effect, a very thick skin must be developed. It's a protection device. Without it, a person can crumble under said circumstances.

Unfortunately, with this sort of inferiority complex can come a loss of value in one's self. Personal standards can easily become lowered when one is searching for acceptance, love and meaning. If they are not receiving it from society in general, then often an unhealthy lifestyle is generated in a desperate search for significance.

As far as family goes... sometimes a kid just wants to be the "Best Little Boy in the World." And the fear of being gay and losing the love of the only people that may love them unconditionally (parents)is not worth the risk. So they hide, and sneak, and fall into the pattern described above.

I have a good friend who is in his mid 30's. He remains terrified to tell his family because of one comment his Father made when he was a little kid. His Father told him that if his son ever told him he was gay, that would be the last thing he'd ever say to him.

It's crushing for a person to live with the uncertainty of whether or not their Father's love is truly unconditional. Mortal or spiritual.

Shaggy
*** This post was edited by Shaggy 5/20/2004 4:26:31 PM ***

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When did the church or the president tell gays that they are "sub-human animals" that "deserve to be bashed or killed?" We can agree or disagree with each other, but let's not go overboard.

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Tell that to Matthew Shepard, Brandon Teena, Danny Overstreet, JR Warren, Barry Winchell, etc. and the thousands of others that are gay bashed and killed in this country every year. Or talk to good ol Reverand Phelps, who was at Matthew's funeral with his "god hates faggots" signs and supporters. Or ask Pat Robertson or the hundreds of other "men of faith" that bombard your tv every weekend with the same message.

http://www.hatecrime.org/subpages/hatespeech/hate.html

Just cause you personally don't experience it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

As far as our president, what kind of message is he sending by telling a group of people that you don't deserve equal rights, treatment and protection. The only president in history to ever amend the Constitution to take away rights instead of expanding them.

http://www.hatecrime.org/subpages/hrcbush.html

Soo................whos going to dollywood!! I hear Thunderhead is still running like water!!!

On the term Hate Crime:

There should be no such thing as a "Hate Crime"... Prosecute EVERY crime to the fullest extent of the law... it dosen't matter what the person was "thinking" or the motive behind the crime... Prosecute to the fullest extent of the law.

A white, heterosexual who is murdered is just as dead as a minority or homosexual that is murdered. The motives or thoughts of the killer makes no difference. Don't treat the killer of the minority or homosexual harsher than the killer of the white hetrosexual. Treat BOTH killers with equal harshness... A speedy trial, conviction, then a date with a tall tree and a short rope.

jomo - you're talking about a small minority of people who do that. All groups (including the gay community) have a small minority of wacko extremists. We're not talking about a church wide agenda.

Just because you disagree with the president, doesn't mean he's telling gays that they're sub-humans who deserve to be bashed or killed.

So............whats the weather like around Dollywood these days............

Back to topic, the latest news from a reliable friend is...the Sons of confederate veterans (SCV) will attend to protest the KKK using the rebel flag in their protests. They don't want the flag connected to hate and whatever.

I'll post the link to the story after I find it. Prosthelitize on...

^Exactly SLFAKE. But that was not happening, which is why there's a necessity for hate crimes laws, to make sure that criminals are being procecuted equally as they would be if they killed a straight person. Judges had been, and in some cases still are, being more lenient since is was just "some faggot being killed that probably deseverd it".

"Judge NOT, lest ye be judged"....I don't profess to be HALF the moral scholar that some of you are, but I know that ONE thing pretty well....I'm not perfect, so I don't stand in judgement of ANYONE...:)

Well, 'cept maybe KKK members...;) IT'S A JOKE, LAUGH!

QUOTE Robocoaster - actually, the Bible says divorce is OK in one circumstance - if one spouse is being unfaithful. I take this to mean unfaithful to marriage vows, which then could include cases of abuse, neglect, etc/ QUOTE

QUOTE Moosh - the parts of the Bible you're referring to (i.e. rules about your hair, etc.) are in Leviticus, along with rules about homosexuality and other more serious stuff. Back in the days before Christ, Christians had to follow very strict rules such as these. I don't claim to understand everything about the Old Testament, but I do know that those rules do not apply to us - only to priests or some special section of Christians. I will look it up tonight and report back to you if you like. QUOTE

It seems as if people choose to INTERPRET the bible how they please........and choose which parts of the bible to apply to their lives.

How old is the Bible? If any of it is outdated in the year 2004, it all can be outdated........"i take this to mean" = interpretation......unfaithful? Most would say that applies to infidelity.....but low and behold the meaning is expanded by interpretation.

There are clear cut acts that cause harm to others and there is no question of their interpretation in the bible, as common sense can tell you these acts are harmful (murder, stealing etc). Marrying the same sex in this way overpopulated world is exactly the same as heteros using birth control. EXACTLY.

Remember in november which candidate is an outright, admitted bigot.