KK BIG breakdown?!?!?

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Peppermint said:

Actually the man flying to his death was six flag's fault because he was to large to ride and they let him ride anyways. And maybe the other two incidents wouldn't have happened if six flags actually maintained their rides better.

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Sure, just nevermind the fact that Intamin hypercoasters don't include any system that lets ride ops know when a rider is too large to safely ride.

Remember, Cedar Fair has had people fly from Intamin rides too. Is maintenance poor at CF parks too?

-Nate

Ok, if TTD has had a Cable snap and KK possibly had a cable snap, why do they use a cable? I meen they made Superman The Escape at SFMM with LIM's. Why can't they use a LIM launch on KK or TTD strata coasters? No moving parts...except the train that is. If they can launch Superman to 100 MPH, most likely they can do it to 128 MPH and so on. It makes a whole lot more sense to me then using a cable. cables break, which equals not a good time for guests and possible injuries. Magnets have do have malfunctions, but not dangerous ones.

-Colin-

Do you have any idea how much power it would TTD or KK would need for a LIM launch?

First of all STE isn't a LIM launch, it's an LSM launch. Sure it works, but it also takes like 8 seconds to get to 100 mph, and the current hydraulic system only take 4 seconds to get to 120+ mph.

They just need stronger cables or something.

The brakes popping up is a major possibility.

If they popped up, than that makes me nervious that there's a chance they won't pop up when there's a rollback and that could lose LOTS of lives.

What's the chance of that happening rideman?
Sorta makes me nervious! ;)

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baller24 said:
All I can say is HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! SF parks can't maintain a coaster of this magnitude.

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oh? and Cedar Point has maintaned TTD well? What ride was it that they could not keep open more than half the season? TTD!

we'll just have to wait an see if it opens again right away instead of jumping to conclusions

Take a chill pill, fanboys. Cripes... does Kyle have to hit you over the head with the winking smileys? Winking smileys denote sarcasm. And this is what sarcasm is.

Whatever happened to KK, it's right on par with Dragster, which broke a cable after roughly three weeks of operation.

I really miss the days when Six Flags had only seven parks, and far fewer fanboys.

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Colin Fisher said:
Ok, if TTD has had a Cable snap and KK possibly had a cable snap, why do they use a cable? I meen they made Superman The Escape at SFMM with LIM's. Why can't they use a LIM launch on KK or TTD strata coasters? No moving parts...except the train that is. If they can launch Superman to 100 MPH, most likely they can do it to 128 MPH and so on. It makes a whole lot more sense to me then using a cable. cables break, which equals not a good time for guests and possible injuries. Magnets have do have malfunctions, but not dangerous ones.

-Colin-

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I think if they used LIM's it would take a much longer time for coaster to launch with the technology they have now. I am sure in the future they will develop a launch mechanism much better and safer than the cable.

I agree that no one has given SF enough time, and that CP had the same problems, but there's a difference between a cable snap, which is not dangerous, compared to pieces flying everywhere and smoke and all that.

Ok, so this is not SF fault? They may not be the manufacturer of the ride, but they DID buy the ride after the maintanence nighmare CF had. They took on the responsibility of a machine of this magnitude and so far have maintained it. However, this is still prototype stuff. The stress they are putting on this equipment is unreal.

They contracted Intiman to do this job knowing that CF had major issues with TTD and that all of the issues were not resolved as they were not 100% sure of the actuall root of some of the issues. It is more an Intiman issue, but SF has to be held to some accountability for this.

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Ride of Steel said:

Dude, just shut up. Someone could have gotten hurt,

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Just like all the comments about CP when the wheel fell off of TTD. It was sarcasm and we are lucky no one was hurt. What he said was funny to people with a since of humor. Or non SF fanboys.

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Colin Fisher Said:

Ok Kyle, just stop, This breakdown was most likely not SF's fault, it was Intamins. TTD had a similar major breakdown, CABLE SNAP, that one hurt people, this one didn't. stop trying to make SFI sound terribly bad just because a SFI coaster breaks dosn't meen anything. Cedar Fair coasters break

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You said CP, no one else compared it to them. He was just being sarcastic.

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Cs6153 said:

I think if they used LIM's it would take a much longer time for coaster to launch

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It was distance I beleive. The hydr. launch allows them a smoother launch in a shorter time with a higer rate of acceleration or something like that. I am not am engineer so I could be very wrong on that one. *** Edited 6/9/2005 2:45:08 AM UTC by ldiesman***

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Ride of Steel said:
there's a difference between a cable snap, which is not dangerous, compared to pieces flying everywhere and smoke and all that.

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Um... shards of metal hitting people not dangerous?

(I realize these "victims" were out for cash, but they were nevertheless struck by debris.)

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Ride of Steel said:

If they popped up, than that makes me nervious that there's a chance they won't pop up when there's a rollback and that could lose LOTS of lives.

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What makes you think that hasn't happened on Dragster? And yes, I am suggesting those brakes are less than perfect. *** Edited 6/9/2005 2:50:04 AM UTC by Fun***

Anyone else amused by the stupidity and immaturity that usually is dripping from all the Six Flags "fanboys"? The CP "fanboys" get their day in the sun with this one because everyone was talking up how much practice Intamin had with these rockets now and how much different it was going to be with KK and how much CP people were going to have to eat it when SFI had not only the record holder, but a reliable and well-run record holder.

Where are those folks now, eh?

We told ya so.

Maurer-Sohne all the way.

LIM's, LSM's they all sound the same to me and do the same thing, launch stuff. But now I get your point though about how much energy it would take. How much energy does it take to launch TTD or KK. lol no one knows, its all good. and BTW im very proud to be a SFfanboy I love sixflags!

Good point ldiesman, SF clearly cared for nothing more than the record with the release of KK, they knew for sure that it would not work..we all did..even the SF fanboys.
I think the true winners here are all the guests who, either had waited during TTDs long breakdowns-or are now waiting through KK's, get to ride all of the other pakr's great rides with shorter lines. i pray to God that this is the lass 400+ rocket coaster we see and i think it is ,no other park chain is dumb enough to build another one-not yet at least that mistake has already been made

Impulse-ive how are the SF fanboys sounding immature. Last I checked CP was the park that was being sued. True it it Intamins fault for these rides but SF will eventually get things right. I mean look at X and the 3 Deja Vu's. Nobodys complaining now yet when they opened there were problems. They work just fine now yet TTD still has problems. Storm Runner and yes to an extent Xcelerator are more reliable so what is CP problem. These two rides are just records. It brings in guests. Thats the only reason TTD was 420 ft. tall. S:TE at Magic Mountain is 411 ft. tall. I agree i do hope this is the last 400+ form intamin. They should stick to under 200 ft seeing how the only ones which arent having problems are Storm Runner, Rita, and Kanonen *** Edited 6/9/2005 3:22:26 AM UTC by socalcoaster***

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Impulse-ive said:
Anyone else amused by the stupidity and immaturity that usually is dripping from all the Six Flags "fanboys"? The CP "fanboys" get their day in the sun with this one .

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Oh give me a break. Nothing has been confirmed yet and for all you and I know, it is just a cable snap - Hardly bad enough for a CP fanboy's moment of glory since it's happened on Dragster before (and Millennium Force for that matter).

Like I said a few hours ago, there has still be no credible source to report any incident. Anyone want to step up to the plate and give more than a "OMG I saw this while waiting in line!" Please...

Well, the website now has a "KK will not be running Thurs. June 9th." I was at the park this morning when it went down. I left but a friend (TwinsGP) stayed. They cleared the line at 1:30, were doing testing and he called me when he heard the crash. Believe it my friend.

What I don't understand is why people take these things personally. Saying "TTD sucks" or "KK sucks" is not a personal attack. Why get on the defensive?

That said, neither X nor the DV's are running well. Nor is TTD. Nor is SR. Nor is KK. Some run better than others, but I don't think any of them hold up to B&M reliability. Leads me to believe it's more about designer/manufacturer than park maintanence. *** Edited 6/9/2005 3:32:31 AM UTC by ApolloAndy***

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UBRhino said:
Wait... didn't someone say Ka was most likely thought up BEFORE Dragster even debuted?

If that's the case, then lay off Six Flags for once. I love how no matter what happens, Six Flags has GOT to be to blame somehow.

Ten bucks says if roles were reversed, no one would be bashing CP. Get over it.

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No.

The designing of KK began a year before construction. That was a direct statement from the VP of design and development from the SF corporate office when we had an interview with him. TTD was open a full year before they started thinking about KK, and considering there isn't much of a difference of a design in the layout, it didn't take that long to design.

Uh, check again.

A year before Kingda Ka construction began would have been July, 2003...only a month after Top Thrill Dragster opened for the first time. Given that new rides tend to have problems, that was hardly enough time to judge whether TTD would be reliable or not. By the time all of the TTD problems became apparent it was already way too late for Six Flags.

-Nate

TTD's problems became apparent by memorial day. They got more serious through the month of June.

As I said, new rides have problems. It's a given. Kingda Ka was probably bought under the assumption that things would be okay. It was too late to change their mind when it became clear that they weren't.

And that's certainly a whole lot different than your "full year" claim above.

-Nate