Kings Island new Coaster 2014

Monday, August 5, 2013 8:30 AM

Theres no way this coaster approaches 200ft. The line segment in the blueprint that represents the lift is too small. I'm guessing this will be 125-140ft tall. The "record" will probably be most inversions on an inverted: 8.

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Monday, August 5, 2013 8:31 AM

I'm not surprised but I'm kind of disappointed they played it safe since this is what they are replacing SOB with. In my opinion anyway.

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Monday, August 5, 2013 10:04 AM
HeyIsntThatRob?'s avatar

Honestly, height, speed, or inversion count won't matter. All KI needs is a reliable people-eater. If its a B&M invert then it will fit the bill, park guests will eat it up and it'll be home run for KI.

The only question I will have is, "Why didn't they do this sooner?"

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Monday, August 5, 2013 10:05 AM

^^^I remember someone pointing out in the blueprints that the length of the lift hill is 250 feet. I haven't seen the blueprints since and can't check that out at the present moment. I'll confirm more later.

However, if the length were 250 feet, then we have the length and can estimate an angle to give us the height. I'm not sure what exact degree of ascent inverted coasters have but I've estimated around 35 degrees. Newer models may even have steeper climbs, but that isn't for sure. So let's just assume for a moment an angle of climb at 30, 35 & 40 degrees.

If the coaster climbs at a 30 degree angle, it'll be approximately 144 feet tall.
If it climbs at a 35 degree angle, it'll be approximately 175 feet tall.
If it climbs at a 40 degree angle, it'll be approximately 209 feet tall.

My math be a little rusty (and maybe even wrong depending on if I used the correct formula). But seeing as the blueprints don't give off too much and because I have yet to confirm if it reads "250 feet", we'll just say these are "guesstimates" as I don't have firm values to play with.

I'm not saying this coaster will break the height record, I'm just saying it isn't out of the question yet. I bet your inversion one is spot on (judging by the blueprints). If that is indeed the record though, then the coaster will also break the record for Most Inversions on any coaster in the United States and North America.

^Rob, I think you hit the nail on the head. As long as it's a people eater and a good ride. I'll be very pleased with it. The records won't matter to me, just more icing on the cake. I'm excited either way!

Last edited by CoasterKid20, Monday, August 5, 2013 10:20 AM
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Monday, August 5, 2013 11:26 AM

CoasterKid20 said:

If the coaster climbs at a 30 degree angle, it'll be approximately 144 feet tall.
If it climbs at a 35 degree angle, it'll be approximately 175 feet tall.
If it climbs at a 40 degree angle, it'll be approximately 209 feet tall.

My math be a little rusty (and maybe even wrong depending on if I used the correct formula).

Your numbers are correct :)

Last edited by ShadowPhoenix, Monday, August 5, 2013 11:27 AM
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Monday, August 5, 2013 11:30 AM
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fearandloathing said:

Theres no way this coaster approaches 200ft. The line segment in the blueprint that represents the lift is too small. I'm guessing this will be 125-140ft tall. The "record" will probably be most inversions on an inverted: 8.

Are you taking in to account that the drop could be below grade? It doesn't have to be tall to have a 200' drop...


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Monday, August 5, 2013 1:26 PM
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you also have to take into account that the station will likely be 20-30 feet off the ground to start out with too


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Monday, August 5, 2013 1:33 PM

Im guessing about 175 with a drop of 200 (Has to beat Alpie) Length 4.992'ft

Tallest inversion on a Invert. Im thinking Immanuel will be about 150', Fastest Invert, Guessing 72mph and most inversions on a invert.

1800 pph Which is exactly what they need.

If it is indeed 8 inversions then it will be the most inversions in the USA.

Not sure if it will be removed or not, But what about Invetigo? MIA? Dorney?

Last edited by Charles Nungester, Monday, August 5, 2013 1:35 PM
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Monday, August 5, 2013 1:50 PM

HeyIsntThatRob? said:

The only question I will have is, "Why didn't they do this sooner?"

They were building Diamondback.

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Monday, August 5, 2013 1:52 PM
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Since we're all throwing out guesses days before we'll know for sure, I just have to say this is one impressive looking Dragon Wagon.

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Monday, August 5, 2013 2:05 PM
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Not that B&M can't change this, but as far as I know, they've never put the MCBR before the double inversion (Cobra roll or Batwing). In fact, most of their coasters have a pretty lackluster post-MCBR meander back to the station. I find it hard to believe they'll throw a new crazy double inversion after an MCBR.


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Monday, August 5, 2013 2:19 PM

Depends on the elevation change, the problem with those complex inversions is that they need a lot of energy to get through them. The terrain allows them to still have quite a drop off after the MCBR.

While I would agree that a lot of time B&Ms loose steam after the MCBR (the worst of which would be the Hulk) there is a near by inverted that has an amazing finale after its MCBR: Raptor. Other examples that I can think of include Kumba, Apollo's Chariot, and Diamondback (I know the last two arent really fair as they are hypers but still.) Its been over 10 years since they built a 3 train inverted, so heres hoping they learned something.


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Monday, August 5, 2013 2:53 PM
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With a few exceptions (notably some combo of loop, cork, helix and Alpie's zero-g, cork helix), every 3 train inverting B&M ends with some combination of corks and helices after the MCBR.


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Monday, August 5, 2013 4:20 PM

I didnt say anything about drop, just the height of the lift.

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Monday, August 5, 2013 5:21 PM

I think Raptor has the most successful MCBR ever, and the main reason is that it's very high in the air. This allows the train to approach it at "top of the hill" speed, which is sane enough to eliminate braking. It also is high enough so that if the train should have to stop mid-course there's enough energy to bring it back to the station while still allowing it to perform high thrill maneuvers toward the end of the ride.

Too bad that same concept wasn't thought of for Mantis. A higher MCBR on that ride would eliminate a couple of ouchy moments.

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Monday, August 5, 2013 5:49 PM
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You might want to check out this thread:

http://coasterbuzz.com/Forums/Topic/breaking-the-bat-flies-again-at-kings-island-it-is-a-wing-coaster


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Thursday, August 8, 2013 7:28 PM

Church pews have shown up in Action Zone for the announcement. Can't imagine those have anything to do with a bat.

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Thursday, August 8, 2013 7:48 PM
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Meanwhile at Kings Island:


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Thursday, August 8, 2013 7:53 PM
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It's the SOB funeral I believe.


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Thursday, August 8, 2013 8:26 PM

You guys will think I'm stupid, but what if KI makes a wing coaster named The Bat Returns and an invert named Banshee. They obviously have room for both, but is it worth it? Probably, yes.

I may be wrong, but if not, you guys must always refer to me as King Tyler the Legendary. I'm serious.

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