Kings Island new Coaster 2014

Wikipedia has a pretty good page on roller coaster elements.

I always heard a corkscrew on a B&M invert referred to as a "flat spin."

LostKause said:

...And about the terminology thing, I actually had to Google the term "wing over" as it pertains to roller coasters. Inversion names are very confusing.

Each company having their own nomenclature helps add to the confusion....

At least no one has redefined the term "vertical loop" - everything else, however, is up for discussion...

Some people elsewhere seem hung up on the Stengel tombstone. I took that as being on a tombstone since that was who designed SoB, which is now gone, and this is taking it's place.

Also according to RCDB Stengel's engineering firm has had a hand in the design of the majority of (if not all) B&M inverts.

The Stengel Tombstone is a Haunt leftover. All the old rides and many executives have em including Helbig.

Im convinced the long section after the 0g is either a MCBR or a second 0g or snap roll which is high. The Batwing will go in the old second helix area of SOB which is low. Im also convinced this will be a underground Batwing as seen on Carowinds Flight Deck and Montu and allow the Access Road to remain in place. Definitely some kind of Vertical or slant loop after the Batwing, Snap roll into helix and possibly a snap roll after helix into brake run.

Leaked or not, This ride excites me ore than anything KI has done since FOF. I love inverts.

As for the Leak yesterday, Well those blueprints were available at Warren Co. and are ON TV http://www.wlwt.com/news/local-news/news-warren-county/kings-island...1481237582

From the link above:

After looking at the drawings, Speigel... spotted at least four loops and a corkscrew on the plans. He said he suspects the cars will have "wings" that leave riders hanging from the sides of the track. It would become one of four like it in the country.

It's possible, but I still see an inverted coaster.

rollergator said:

Each company having their own nomenclature helps add to the confusion....

At least no one has redefined the term "vertical loop" - everything else, however, is up for discussion...

The one that always gets me is boomerang vs. batwing.

Arrow's batwing is the same as Vekoma's boomerang...and B&M calls it a cobra roll.

Arrow's boomerang is the same as B&M's batwing...and Meisho calls it a pretzel knot.

Not confusing at all. :/

I always assumed that:

Boomerang=A name of a coaster type

Batwing=A name of an inversion.

Hmmm. Sounds like it's going to be a roller coaster.

Charles Nungester said:

Im convinced the long section after the 0g is either a MCBR or a second 0g or snap roll which is high.

Nah. Watch this part of the video. I thought it seemed weird at first, but upon closer inspection it's merely slightly long...there's definitely only one twist in the track. Right now I'm gonna chalk the added length to elevation change. Talon also has a rising zero-g that runs pretty much the length of the coaster. It may not be as long as what we see in the blueprint, but it's long for the size of the coaster. And it would look like an oddly long line with a twist in the middle from above in line form.

The Batwing will go in the old second helix area of SOB which is low. Im also convinced this will be a underground Batwing as seen on Carowinds Flight Deck and Montu and allow the Access Road to remain in place.

I don't think we're looking at a standard Batwing. Well, we know we're not based on how it exits the element, but I think it goes beyond that. Have a feeling this won't even be called a "Batwing" once it's revealed.

And now the more I look at it, it really is starting to look like a double roll between the two helices at the end. Could that be inversions 7 and 8? Making the corkscrew at the end #9?

Suddenly I'm on board with Screamscape.

Leaked or not, This ride excites me more than anything KI has done....

...ever!

Ensign Smith said:

Hmmm. Sounds like it's going to be a roller coaster.

I was hoping for a water ride!

Three-train coaster. Answers the long straight stretch.

I see seven inversions. And nothing to specifically identify it as an inverted coaster (though I do agree it would be awesome).

The ID on some track supports that someone took pictures of and the ID on the blueprint are B&M inverted standard markings, something like IC2 I believe. As for the LONG straight stretch, is anybody else thinking they might put an airtime hill on this ride either between the vertical loop wrapping the lift and the zero-g roll or between the zero-g roll and the batwing?

As far as names of elements, yes the corkscrew on a B&M inverted is not called a flatspin but a wingover. They tend to not be as regularly shaped as the corkscrews on other coasters, often having entry and exit points at different elevations. Notice how the second wingover on the Batman: The Ride coasters ends in a trench. I thought Arrow named their first non loop or corkscrew element on Orient Express the "kamikaze curve." Was that just because of the name of the ride? Did they determine that the name was racist and rename the element later?

I think Gonch is right, After the Og roll is a huge elevation change. Think Kumbas dive into the RR trench I also seem to think the second Vertical starts underground.. Four more days.

Charles Nungester said:

I think Gonch is right

He certainly would agree with you.

It's a 3-train operation coaster so the MCBR has to be in there too.

If we're looking at an 8 or 9 inversion ride, would this be the most inversions on a US coaster? Is that the record they'd be breaking? Or most inversions on an inverted coaster? Tallest invert (which in "coaster wars" would be an excellent coux for Cedar Fair)? This thing could break multiple records if our guesses are correct.

Still think the wingover is just one more way to say Immelmann (sp?).

An Immelmann maneuver is basically a diving loop in reverse: you go straight into a vertical loop, then starting at the top you roll out of it and head back slightly acute to the direction you entered the element. In RCT terms, think half loop followed by half corkscrew. Kinda.

I would say it is a half loop and a half barrel roll. That would be much more accurate.