Kings Island Fast Lane

Uncle Coaster said:
Well, we've already seen a comparison between not being able to ride due to line jumping with the 9/11 attacks, so this doesn't seem all that much of a stretch.

I was referring to an extereme example that actually happened to respond to Travis focus on the extreme in the situation I mentioned. Not in any way wax I comparing that to line jumping, only citing an example where Disney World did in fact close after people paid to get in.

Tekwardo said:
Get over yourself. A hug isn't going to make it all better.

Works on getting over self... works on getting over self... works on getting over self ;)

*HUGS*

edit - now that I think about it more, it wasn't the best comparison.

...back to getting over self...

edit - I let it stew some more, and I realized I certainly was not equating the harm of hurting someone or relapsing into addiction with that of paying to cut in line. Rather, that both cause harm, and the level of harm can be determined by each individual. Either way, I don't always think out my thoughts before putting them down and apologize if I offended anyone.

RPM said:
Someone a bunch of pages prior mentioned how a typical Disney one day ticket is about double that of a KI ticket, but you get free fast pass. Or to put it another way a KI ticket plus fast past is about the same as a Disney ticket.

Which got me thinking, if Disney started offering a one day ticket for $40, with the restriction that you can not use fast pass, what would be wrong with that?

Or to turn it around, what if KI were to announce that the standard ticket price is now $90 and includes FREE fast pass. And then also announced a new economy ticket that is the same as the standard ticket, but no access to fast pass.

So the mind set changes from 'I need to shell out extra cash for a fast pass to completely enjoy the park' to 'to hey, I can save some money because I really don't need that fast pass option'

Comparing pricing at a Disney and Cedar Fair park are comparining apples to oranges. At Disney, you are also paying for fantastic atmosphere and theming, which the Cedar Fair parks definitley and greatly lack. Plus the Disney 1-day ticket is probably not purchased by many in reality.

At Disney, you are also paying for fantastic atmosphere and theming,

...and at Cedar Point you are paying for over-the-top thrills, of which Disney parks definitley and greatly lack.

Yin and Yang.

They did sleep together once, though...that's how the Busch parks came to be.

It depends on what you mean by a Disney one day ticket. The east coast (and even north coast) bias on this site does show through from time to time.

And comparing Cedar Fair to Disney is not an apples to oranges comparison. More like comparing apples to bicycles, actually...

--Dave Althoff, Jr.

Cutting infront of someone doesn't cause harm. Hurt feelings and perceived inconveniences are not the same as physical pain caused by violence and addiction. It's disturbing and ignorant to equate inconvenience with pain.

What I still don't get is someone truly believing a company's practice is wrong...on a moral level...and then participating in it willingly, partaking of its evil, seductive pleasures.

super7* said:

RPM said:
Which got me thinking, if Disney started offering a one day ticket for $40, with the restriction that you can not use fast pass, what would be wrong with that?

Comparing pricing at a Disney and Cedar Fair park are comparining apples to oranges. At Disney, you are also paying for fantastic atmosphere and theming, which the Cedar Fair parks definitley and greatly lack. Plus the Disney 1-day ticket is probably not purchased by many in reality.

My bigger point was that some people seem to have a moral objection to any kind of fast past type system. If Disney started offering a reduced price ticket that excluded use of fast-pass, would that suddenly create a 'moral' problem because some people can cut and some could not? Event if its the consumers choice to purchase the lower price ticket?

Well, is it "morally" wrong that some people can park hop and some can't, based on if they add the Park Hopper to their Magic Your Way ticket?

Same thing if they took FastPass out of Magic Your Way and made a Fast Pass option. You pay more money, you get more privleges.

It's not morally wrong either way.

Morality judgement is a very personal thing and each person can decide for themselves.

I don't remember anyone saying pay to cut was 'morally wrong'.

CoasterDemon said:
I don't remember anyone saying pay to cut was 'morally wrong'.

Then what's the aversion for those that think it's 'wrong'? Calling it 'wrong' sort of implies a moral objection - on what other grounds is it 'wrong' to allow people who pay FOL access?

I don't understand how people's morals can be questioned when they are purchasing a service that is offered and facilitated by the park. It's not like they're bribing ride crews to get to the front of the line etc.

They're paying for a service, endorsed and operated by the company. Morals don't come into it.

Lord Gonchar said:

CoasterDemon said:
I don't remember anyone saying pay to cut was 'morally wrong'.

Then what's the aversion for those that think it's 'wrong'? Calling it 'wrong' sort of implies a moral objection - on what other grounds is it 'wrong' to allow people who pay FOL access?

I understand, Gonch. The way I look at it, there is the idea of wrong and the idea of right. In between, there are an infinite number of places. Everyone can judge for themselves on whatever topic/idea is being discussed. And then of course, we can change or minds, point of view, etc.

I don't care for a pay VQ in most cases, but (anger and my own personal issues aside) I certainly don't think those who like it/use it are evil or morally evil (or fill in the blank with any other word).

As I said, I don't understand how anyone in their right mind can point the finger at the individual who is using the service that is provided to them by the park, for a fee.

Here's a good question then..

If someone who hated FastPass/VQ etc won it as part of a giveaway at the park, would they turn it down?

I don't know. It would probably depend on the person.

I told everyone during last years Coasting For Kids fundraiser that if they kept donating to my Firstgiving page, and I won the VIP, I would write a TR. I did, and I did.

The day I used my VIP prize, no one else had a VIP tour. I was the only one cutting. ˆhated that I cut, and kept it to a minimum (ask the tour guide), but in the end I told myself that my cousin and I were just two people and didn't cause a whole lot of problems.

Fast Lane is a lot more than two people cutting. I'm going to say maybe 10% of the park patrons. I still find cutting to be "wrong" and "immoral". That is my opinion. If anyone wants to think that cutting is okay as long as you pay the park for the privilege, go for it.

FYI - Even healthcare providers think paying for premium access is a worthwhile venture:

http://blogs.wsj.com/venturecapital/2011/08/01/how-much-would-you-p...on-demand/

I swear I wonder if some of y'all even enjoy parks at all or just enjoy living in the past.

I like to think I do some of each.