Intamin & CP
CP is my home- Good thinking. True statement, though I will say that even when a vendor makes a product that is unique every time, if they have a good working relationship with a customer, they will be friendly and knock off a little to keep it a good relationship, but as you said, none of us really know if this happened or not, its just speculation.
IOArules, I don't know why you can't understand this: If you were a lawyer going to court with your own made up scenarios and theories, you would be laughed at by your peers and overruled by a judge. The same thing is happening here, why can't you understand that?
The simple fact is, you are stating your own theories as fact with no evidence to back it up. Even if I thought your theory was right, I'd not agree with you because you simply don't know. You don't work for CP, and I highly doubt you have any type of relationship with any of their higher ups like some people on this site. Nuff Said.
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Back in the 90's, it was rumored that B&M and Cedar Point had a three coaster deal. Would someone please name for me the three B&M coasters at the Point?
Go ahead.....I'm waiting.
When is the last time Cp built two coasters (and no, kiddie coasters don't count) in consecutvie years? When is the last time footers were installed for a future ride during anothers construction?If Cp/Cf hadn't signed a multi contract deal then why didn't Cp just wait until 04' to add TTD?
The amusement park industry is a lot different now than it was 10 years ago ... so why use past trends as an indicator of future plans? Ever stop to think that maybe, just maybe, Cedar Point thought that building two record-breaking coasters in back-to-back years would further establish the park as the industry leader? Or would increase attendance? Or offer a good ROI?
Footers are installed for TTD during WT's and Xcel's construction just to make sure Cp doesn't go back on their deal if something happens with Xcel.
Is that a joke? You're not using this as part of your theory, are you?
I assume ... probabaly ...
That about sums up your argument.
Why would they sign a multi-coaster contract? A few years ago they weren't even sure if there would be enough space on the peninsula to even build another coaster!
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*** This post was edited by Gemini 8/11/2003 4:10:27 PM ***
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"This time I think ... I think it's ... it's going to work!" - Dr.Bruce Banner
Your questions have been answered. But, if someone is gullible enough to believe that a company would poor footers for a roller coaster in advance just to assure the deal will go through, then I suppose it's like arguing with a wall.
You're an X-Files fan, aren't you?
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See also: Mass Destruction, Weapons of.
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Age and treachery will always overcome youth and skill.
The reason is because he is 17 years old. Everyone knows that teenagers know everything. I was smarter when I was 17 then I am now. Who can't admit that they weren't smarter while they were living under their parents roof before actually having to live in the real world.
Do us a favor IOArules and let the grown ups talk.
As a 23 year old who decided he didn't want to be a teacher for the rest of his life AFTER student teaching. I can definitely vouch for that.
Good grief was I EVER that beligirant when I was in High School? I feel so sorry for my teachers now. Of course not all the kids were this way, but enough to make me reconsider my life choices.
But to be fair I have heard 40 year olds try to give the same arguments IOARules has and 14 year olds who are on the complete oppisite end of the spectrum.
It's not an age issue, and to say it was woudl be to stoop to a level of name calling.
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If given the choice I'd choose a hamburger over a hotdog anyday of the week.
*** This post was edited by MagnumForce 8/11/2003 10:14:39 PM ***
Which brings up a whole new issue. Jeff, your resident board owner, is what, 30 years old. Being 30 years old you would've thought he could've come up with a better idea of what TTD was when it just existed of just circular footers. But yea, even with all his years of park experience he was set on the fact that it was going to be a pay per ride sling shot, which is made of a triangular structure. Not only this, I heard this same type crap from him and other older memembers after returning from SFOG on Memorial Day weekend 2001, reporting that the Deja Vu train was all off the track, and one of the rows had the frame all cracked up and seats ripped apart, as well as the lift car for tower two was broken in a bunch of pieces; also I reported they had recieved another replacement car which was sitting in a box. There were jokes made about being me being a stupid 14 year old and that coaster cars weren't shipped liked McDonald's fast food orders. Funny how that all turned out to be true, and that car was from SFGAM's. Better yet, your 30 year old idol wanted to be on top of the news last summer when he reported he just got off the cell phone with someone at SFWOA reporting they were unloading track for the new ride. Yea, look how that turned out... Wow, not only that, but it sure seems like 30 somethings are always the fat people whining about the Intamin seats being too small or too high off the ground for them to get in. If thats the case, and you are so busy, and have a job, maybe you shouldn't waste your time arguing with a 17 year old who knows nothing on some message board, and maybe you should be at the gym trying to shave off a little bit of that tummy.
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"This time I think ... I think it's ... it's going to work!" - Dr.Bruce Banner
Hope your enjoyed your stay here at the Buzz. It's obviously over.
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If given the choice I'd choose a hamburger over a hotdog anyday of the week.
*** This post was edited by MagnumForce 8/12/2003 12:28:40 AM ***
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than in the drink with a boat on the rocks.
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IOArules said:
I didn't call anybody stupid or anything like that.
No, but I will since you've given yourself more than enough chances to prove to me otherwise.
Stupidhead.
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- John
I snap flyers.
TeknoScorpion said:
hey, its 14:59, and your 15 min. of fame is almost up. I think someone is gonna be pullin out the ole' M.C. Hammer Song for the second time this week, And I don't meen 2 Legit 2 Quit.......;)
HAMMERTIME
nevermind.
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Is that a Q-bot in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?
By the way, the word is belligerent.
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"This time I think ... I think it's ... it's going to work!" - Dr.Bruce Banner
Is anyone else enjoying this post? Ive never heard someone get so mad over something so silly. You need to be humbled IOArules because there are some situations where a "blow up" is not necessary. Anyways, have a good life man! : )
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-Tomas
IOArules said:Wow, not only that, but it sure seems like 30 somethings are always the fat people whining about the Intamin seats being too small or too high off the ground for them to get in. If thats the case, and you are so busy, and have a job, maybe you shouldn't waste your time arguing with a 17 year old who knows nothing on some message board, and maybe you should be at the gym trying to shave off a little bit of that tummy.
(falls off chair)
Ok that was hella funny. I would almost be tempted to feel bad if I didnt workout today.
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And to IOArules...ur probabaly the fat guys who doesn't go to the gym and can't fit into the seats. Also someone who has no life would post soooo many times on one thing as u have. Your probabaly jealous at all of us who can experience all these fun rides. I suggest get a life and go to the gym!!! :-)
I agree with those against the contract, that idea is ludicrious and bad business, but what about this scenario which is all the more likely (I feel):
CP execs rode S:UE in its opening year, 2000. After riding, they decided they wanted one, because Six Flags marketed that ride (and still does) a lot more as its "star attraction" than Batman, although some may argue that Batman is a superior ride. X-Flight was not even in the cards at this point. So, CP goes to Intamin in mid-2000. An Impulse is a simple concept - as shown by the strutural problems, they probably just did a "scale" in AutoCAD, worked out how to support the thing in sand and viola, you have a quick and dirty Wicked Twister. Now, when Wicked Twister's specs were presented for final review before final design was entered (figuring late 2000 here) Intamin pitches the idea of a hydrualic launched coaster that their R&D teams have been doing. They know that CP (well more like CF) like having state of the art rides, and this seems to be a counterpoint to the probably now in production S&S creation, Hypersonic (opened early 2001, figure industry knows of it as of mid-2000). CF execs see the plans for the hydro, consider their losses piling up with Windjammer (SBNO as of early 2000 - about the time the project would have gotten a "its a loss" designation) and decide to sign on for Xcel as a prelim as WT goes into final design. As Xcel gets to approval for final design, Intamin casually suggests (or CP casusally suggests) that this might be a way to claim tallest-fastest-coaster for good for the Guiness book. Viola, contract for TTD in probably 2001 - final design reached in 2002 (because of no need to re-design the hydraulic system, just basically scale up), in enough time to start pouring those footers in April 2002. So ride installation, we're up to 2003, but as far as "contracts" go, we're only in mid to late 2001. Figure in the last Intamin/CF creation, Steel Venom, WT goes in, and although experiences some structural problems, is a hit with guests and does out WoA, WoA. A successful ride in the flagship park could do wonders for an outlying park so in a completely unrelated move to the hydro-launchers, CF purchases SV for VF, which fills the "we want a coaster for this year" part of their master plan for the park cheaply and with little engineering (read: fast turnaround from purchase to installation), as SV sits on normal ground (actually structurally superior ground - Minnesota is known for that) and is nearly the same design as S:UE and V2 (which would still be in the plans and computers at Intamin).
No multi-coaster deals, no conspiracy theories, just basic logic, a little design/engineering knowledge and some timeline work with RCDB ;) Makes sense right? Take it for what it's worth ... I'm going to bed (try to)
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--Brett
*** This post was edited by Impulse-ive 8/12/2003 4:27:40 AM ***
No, Intamin doesn't have any state-side manufacturing that I'm aware of.
I'm sure that was the case when MF was built, and maybe I'm misinterpreting this, but (from Tim Powell's Amusement Business article covering Hershey's new coaster): "It comes from Intaride Ltd., of Glen Burnie, Md., which is the North
American Division of Intamin AG of Wollerau, Switzerland. Sandor Kernacs is Intaride president." I take that to mean American Intamin products are, in fact, manufactured over here (and even Hershey's stat sheet cites Intaride as the "ride supplier"). Not that it helps or hurts anyone's argument, but I found that interesting (since I hadn't heard of Intaride before this).
That said, it's clear that anyone who thinks there was a multiple-ride contract should immediately give up on any sort of business degree, especially in this industry. You don't have a clue.
-Nate
*** This post was edited by coasterdude318 8/12/2003 5:00:12 AM ***
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