Horse Creek Productions?

Thanks Gonch.

The original issue is obscured here in terms of the "contorversy"

I know nothing about the video, the legality behind the footage, etc. I do know that my father ordered a video from them, and when I visited him and checked out the video, I saw my picture on it, and pictures from 2 other well known websites. When asked those webmasters also did not give permission, and were also quite unhappy about it.

I found a commercial product with my material on it, that's bad. Since IP makes up a large park of my living, it's extra bad.

What happened after I found it is not a matter to be discussed in public. Those who also know me know that I'm a resonable guy and am shocked at what went down when I questioned my photo and it's use.

Bottom line, some people like the videos, many find the quality lacking. I personally will never buy a video from them again due to the illegally used pictures (which just happened to be one of mine). but, that might be a moot point as it seems they might have been shut down (not by my doing!, and again, that's not appropriate to discuss in a public forum.) *** Edited 4/22/2004 9:23:55 PM UTC by Peabody***

They haven't been shut down. Even Coasterbuzz goes down for maintenance every now and then.

Or put it to them in this light, Student A has just created an awesome game that they have spent many hours to create and program. They feel that they are due some compensation for said game and create say, 10 copies of the game, to sell for $20 apiece to his fellow 10 students. It is the most awesome game in the world and yet Student A soon finds out that Student B has managed to make copies of the game for all of the students in the class and thus instead of $200, Student A now only has $20 while his 10 friends each have a copy of the game.

Another part of the problem is that economic value is just not looked at. Sure, it does not seem like a lot of money when the CD only costs $15 but as the number of copiers creeps upwards, so does the impact.

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Zero-G said:

...the DVDs are blank discs burned on a home burner with sticker labels.

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Legendary said:

*No "homemade" DVD's (this one people seem most pissed about...and it didn't happen).

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Hmmm. Quite interesting. So which is it?

Rampage: I am willing to bet you the legal beverage of the winner's choice that the complete disappearance of the website, with no "we'll be down for a little while" splash page, exactly corresponding to the onset of this discussion, is not "maintenance."

If I wanted to go out on a limb, I'd bet that they weren't shut down, either, but instead they just pulled up stakes and left town once someone suggested that they appeared to be reselling CP videos on DVD. Discretion is the better part of many things, not just valor. But as I say, that's out on a limb.

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Legendary said:

And I found out that everything they're doing is 100% legal.

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How is using my photo legal?

Myself, and the other two webmasters (who feel the exact same about this) all had clear image use policies on our sites and copyright notices on the pics!

And about going straight to the source? I did...and the response I got back....well....I REALLY wish I could post it here! :)

And he even peeled the sticker off to get to it :)

That's not homemade?

EDIT - Ahh, Moosh could have a point. But who'd pay for that kind of quality?

"these weren't made in a home, they just look like they were"

*** Edited 4/22/2004 9:50:34 PM UTC by Lord Gonchar***

Perhaps HCP paid a duplication company to make the DVDs professionally, providing the blank media and labels themselves?

mOOSH

edit - I'm not defending HCP, it just seems like lots of people are jumping to conclusions without consdering other options.

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Okay, 100% legal. So you are sitting there and telling me that Cedar Point, which sells a couple of these videos on their website in VHS only, allows this website to be the only one to sell DVD versions of a Cedar Point produced video?

Has anyone seen DVD's of the Cedar Point videos at Cedar Point because lord only knows that would be the first place I would look?

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Zero-G said:

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Legendary said:

*No "homemade" DVD's (this one people seem most pissed about...and it didn't happen).

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Ok, so I'm just imagining the TDK logo underneath the sticker on my DVD? No, actually, I'm not:

http://www.jeslive.com/images/tdkhollow.jpg

Something smells around here. Smells like horse sh... *** Edited 4/22/2004 9:43:25 PM UTC by Zero-G***

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What DVD is that? The Cedar Point one? Or one of the Roller Coaster Adventure ones?

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Brian Noble said:
Rampage: I am willing to bet you the legal beverage of the winner's choice that the complete disappearance of the website, with no "we'll be down for a little while" splash page, exactly corresponding to the onset of this discussion, is not "maintenance."

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You're on.

Cool. Done. If and when HCP comes back, I'll send you a check. As you are 21, the check will be for $10--that should cover nearly anything but a really good glass of scotch.

There's no way I can prove my side, of course, but that's okay. Plus, if they do come back, it'll be worth the entertainment value.

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Lord Gonchar said:

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Zero-G said:

...the DVDs are blank discs burned on a home burner with sticker labels.

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Legendary said:

*No "homemade" DVD's (this one people seem most pissed about...and it didn't happen).

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Hmmm. Quite interesting. So which is it?

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Like I said in one post before, I was referring to the CP one (which CP never put to DVD). The Roller Coaster Adventures DVD's are all homemade (legally).

Brian, I'd like to also get in on that bet, if the offer is still good.

Jes, I'd really like to know at THIS point, what you're still upset about. Is it the 140 bucks? Honestly? Or do you feel you have a vested interest in this outside of you getting 7 DVDs worth of CONTENT that you clearly are not happy with?

Sorry, first taker only. I'm not made of money.

Damn, so you're telling me I can't get in on it either? I wanted a free drink! ;)

Joe, hates paying for drinks lol

If one of my patents hits big, maybe I'll reopen the books. :)

I'll buy ya a drink, Joe ;-) Hey, about that CA trip itinerary I sent ya...are you EVER going to reply?

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Jeffrey Seifert said:Of course it still doesn't explain why their whole website disappeared.

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Or why my pictures were stolen :)

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Legendary said:

Like I said in one post before, I was referring to the CP one (which CP never put to DVD).

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Well, Jes said he bought the 7 disc set. I don't think the CP DVD was included in that deal.

Or was it?

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The Roller Coaster Adventures DVD's are all homemade (legally).

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I'm not questioning that. I don't really care. I'm supporting Peabody (my interests may be the same some day) and genuinely interested in the quality of the DVDs (the original topic at hand)

However, if it's one of those DVD's that includes Peabody's (and Duane and Joe's) photos, then it was far from legal.

As for the footage included in those vids, I'm sure these guys were smart enough to get all the appropriate property and model releases (a must for commercial use) and permission to film commercially from the parks themselves. They'd be fools not to...

...but then again, they did use those photos.