Holiday World 2015

The US rep for Intamin is unpleasant, to say the last. That doesn't help.

You don't say? ;-)

I actually agree with all the objections however Intamin still makes the best rides. Wood or steel, if you throw a few extra dollars into budget, avoid a launch, and tell them to go aggressive with the layout you will get something fairly reliable that B&M cannot touch.

You said all of that just to say 'fairly reliable'. Just another reason Intamin isn't building whatever this is for HW.

I think fairly reliable is good enough. An Intamin hyper may have a little more downtime than a B&M but it is not the same as the downtime that got that company a bad name. And there is an upside too. If Voyage was a GCI twister it may have less maintenance but it wouldn't be as good. The point of rides is to be good. I remember waiting in line for Volcano for 4 hours because it could only launch half trains and traveling from MN to OH only to have MF's cable snap. However those are still great rides and I am glad they were built. Give Intamin 20 million and you can build something great. Same budget with B&M and you get average. Is it a gamble? A small gamble if you are smart about what you get. A large one if you are not. But it is also a gamble to spend a ton of money on rides that don't wow compared to the next park. I think Legend and Voyage were built in an attempt to be the best, and if they keep that philosophy, then you have to consider Intamin.

Jeff said:

The US rep for Intamin is unpleasant, to say the last. That doesn't help.

Never before has a statement been more true.

I'll take an Intamin ride over anything else in the world, although I have yet to ride a Mack product. I get that some of them have design and/or uptime issues, but it's a fair trade for something like Expedition G force or the like.

Sorry, YMMV.

The reason my mileage varies is that it doesn't seem like the things that make Intamin products less reliable and less safe are the same things that make their rides more thrilling. If those issues *had* to go hand-in-hand, I'd be infinitely more accepting...

In the end it doesn't matter what we think of Intamin rollercoasters, how reliable they are, how economical they are, or whether they offer the most thrilling rides out there.
I'd be willing to bet my last dollar that Holiday World will never, ever crack open the Intamin catalogue again.

It may or may not be true that HW will not do business with Intamin again, but that would be a bad decision if they decided that. They are a business and they need to make objective decisions, not take things personally. Should every park never do business with Intamin again because a new ride type failed? They should take a closer look, but we all know Intamin can build some really good rides that will not end as badly. Of course they will continue selling rides. They are one of the industry leaders and they have some great products (and some less than great). If the difference is "it happened at my park" then that is taking it personal and it limits options. Now it could be that a different manufacturer is the right choice this time for other reasons.

You really don't get it. It's not personal. If a company is known for building rides that have issues, that's a problem.

The person making it personal here is you.

It's not bad business to buy a reliable product from a proven company. It's bad business to keep buying from a company that builds rides that don't deliver what the park needs, regardless of how great a ride it is.

And seeing as how Mack can do whatever Intamin can, including building a Megalite clone like Mack just did, perhaps parks should buy from Mack.

^^Or for those reasons.

Don't you make similar decisions based on "it happened at my house?" Dissatisfaction with goods, products, or services is the best reason I can think of to shop elsewhere. Returning to the same unsatisfactory product or company is not only a bad business decision but it sends the wrong message.

I have a feeling you're a huge Intamin rollercoaster fan and that's fine. (I like them ok, but I truly wonder sometimes how they're still in business) Try not to fear disappointment here, but know for sure that the park's options aren't limited, and there's plenty of fish in the sea. (pun intended)

All signs pointing to the details of this ride are mysterious, but they show promise of it being something epic. I can't wait to find out.

If you ever had a chance to get to know Will back in the day, you know that he almost never said anything negative about anyone or anything. Almost. Take that for what it's worth.

Seeing as how well Chance did with Lightning Run at Kentucky Kingdom, I wouldn't mind seeing a Hyper coaster from them. But then again I would like for the first time for Holiday World to have some nice inversions. All I care about is speed, airtime, distance, and inversions. Whatever company can reliably deliver that to us, will be satisfactory.

If you want airtime *and* inversions in one ride, your options become pretty limited...

#AntonFTW#

From what I've seen, Mack might be taking the reigns on that front.

Or Maverick.

Five years ago (or so) I remember saying that it appeared Premier was taking the lead...then they ran that stupid t-shirt/ride giveaway program and blew their credibility.

Reports indicate that Mack is indeed a serious contender...would love to find out for myself... ;~P

rollergator said:

If you want airtime *and* inversions in one ride, your options become pretty limited...

By that I mean, one or the other. Geeze, I was rushing to get it out i forgot to say or.

I don't know. Perhaps if you combine plenty of inversions with VERY loose restraints you could get some random air time. :)

After getting by a bird last week riding The Voyage, I'll take any roller coaster with a force field.