Hersey park's new coaster lyout revealed!
3r1c said:
Following the sketch, I really don't see how a coaster, using a traditional lift, would be over 80 feet. If you've been to Hershey, you know how small that area is.------------------
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That "area" is not that small, the striaght piece after the station is easily much longer than Great Bear's lift... Last time I checked GB was over 80ft tall... next up, Look at MF's lift, its not "long" because its steep... who says they can't do that?
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enfynet said:
That "area" is not that small, the striaght piece after the station is easily much longer than Great Bear's lift... Last time I checked GB was over 80ft tall... next up, Look at MF's lift, its not "long" because its steep... who says they can't do that?
The lift would have to be very very steep. I doubt a lift could make it 195 ft. up in that area.
The Great Bear is 90 feet by the way.
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Mark Burleson said:
"Something COLOSSAL is coming in 2004".
Ooh, ohh, that MUST mean Intamin -- it's a CLEAR hint at either a multilooper like Thorpe Park's Colossus, or a "plug-and-play" woodie like Heide Park's Collosos.
Yeah, as if...
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The coaster will fit, the coaster is big(well by Hershey standards), and it sure as hell ain't a rocket coaster.
DWeaver said:
Wow, we've got land surveyers on Coasterbuzz now. ;)The coaster will fit, the coaster is big(well by Hershey standards), and it sure as hell ain't a rocket coaster.
Shows what you know, I saw pictures and I know its a rocket coaster.;)
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I hate Mean Streak.
DWeaver said: "...it sure as hell ain't a rocket coaster."
So what you're saying is that, unlike my sig, it will be...um...reliable....;)
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coasterphil said:
DWeaver said:
Wow, we've got land surveyers on Coasterbuzz now. ;)The coaster will fit, the coaster is big(well by Hershey standards), and it sure as hell ain't a rocket coaster.
Shows what you know, I saw pictures and I know its a rocket coaster.;)
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I hate Mean Streak.Riiiight... Then I guess that settles it...;)
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DWeaver said:
...and it sure as hell ain't a rocket coaster.
Say that on August 5th. :) I'm sure it's a Rocket after talking with several people this week, and for those of you don't believe me, I don't really care.
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Then I guess that settles it. We can pack up this thread and all go home. Who needs an official announcement from the park? ;)
3r1c said, Say that on August 5th. I'm 100% sure it's a Rocket, and if you don't believe me, I don't really care.
I don't agree with you. We all know that Hershey is a family park. I have lived here long enough to know that Hershey isn't a park that invest's in a prototype. Even if there are currently 2 rocket coasters in operation.
I am sure that it will be a Hypercoaster. It makes sense giving Hershey's family atmosphere. I am pretty sure that B&M is the manufacturer. 195ft traditional lift + 20-40 ft drop into the ravine= a hypercoaster with a 210 - 220 ft 1st drop.
Look at Phantom's Revenge. That isn't a superlong hyper, but you can pack a lot into a short layout. Looking at the plan it may not seem that long, but those of you that have been at Hershey know that the area that the plan cover is a good distance in the park. I'd say the layout will still allow for the length to be in the 4 - 5,000 ft range. Apollo's Chariot isn't even over 5,000 ft, and it has enough elements in it to keep it interesting.
I'm am pretty that B&M is the manufacturer. 195ft traditional lift + 20-40 ft drop into the ravine= a hypercoaster with a 210 - 220 ft 1st drop.
Yeah, but with the competiton with Dorney, Hershey is turning Dutch Wonderland into the family park, and evolving Hershey into more of a thrill park (this is shown in their advertisements). Hershey did take a risky investment, but I, living 25 minutes away form HP, am pretty sure this will bring in a ton of people.
I know the head matinence guy, and he specifically said "Intamin Rocket", 195 ft. high. There's no way a lift could be over 195 feet in the straightaway after the station anyways.
I'm not saying a hypercoaster would be better or worse, in fact, I believe that a hypercoaster might be a better investment. However, I do know I'll be making more than 2-3 visits a year to HP like I usually do.
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"If we knew how safe roller coasters were, we'd lose their thrill" - Daniel Keller.
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Hershey is turning Dutch Wonderland into the family park, and evolving Hershey into more of a thrill park.
And the evidence of this is? A few markings on the ground of an as of yet unidentified coaster?
Were this year's additions any indiction? The Claw, Frontier Flyers, Kiddie Pirat and Kiddie Scrambler (1 thrill ride, one "family" ride, and two definate kiddie rides). Gone are Cyclops, Conestoga, Starship America, and (I think) the bull dozerz / earth movers, or what ever that kiddie ride was called. (that's 1 thrill ride (cyclops), 1 thrill/family ride (conestoga), 1 family/kids ride (starship america), 1 kiddie ride (earth movers)... I think the earth movers went to Dutch Wonderland while Starship America either went to Dutch Wonderland or is in storage). So, what is the score... Conuting Conestoga as "thrill" and Star Ship America as Kid/Kiddie... Thrill Rides +1, -2 (-1 net), Family Rides +1, -0 (+1 net), Kid/Kiddie Rides +2, -2 (+0 net). Using that math... Hersheypark's line up stayed the same, but the total number of Thrill type flats dropped by 1 while Family Rides picked up 1, and Kid / Kiddie Rides stayed the same. Even IF you would count Conestoga as a "family ride", you would have no change in the toal numbers in these categories. I hardly call that evidence of "evolving into more of a "thrill" park."
I could be proven wrong, but history shows that nothing too extreme will be coming to Hersheypark, and that Hershey also likes to stick to either "proven technology" or else technology that, while not common, is not too "unreliable." (Aside from Carowinds, only other setpoint interactive water coaster in the form of RollerSoaker, and, back in 1977, the only coaster on the east coast in sooperdooperlooper. While uniuqe for their time, neither of these used really revolutionary and unproven (or proven releatively unreliable) technology).
Repeating what I may have said before in this thread or another... I am not going to speculate on what it will be, but I will ad my opinion on what I hope it is not. I hope it is not a rocket coaster... I really would not get too excited about an unreliable one trick pony coming to the old home park.
I'll add another tidbit here... I am not getting all that excited about 2004 at Hersheypark. What ever they get will be a pleasant surprise because I really was not expecting anything. The year I am looking forward to is 2007... the 100th year of the park. That would be the year that I would be expecting to see something really BIG.... that long strip of land on the opposite side of Hersheypark drive from the park looks really tempting to envision some really massive coaster sitting on.
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Kind of hard to take a post as objective if a park or coaster name is part of the "user name"
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DWeaver said:
coasterphil said:
DWeaver said:
Wow, we've got land surveyers on Coasterbuzz now. ;)The coaster will fit, the coaster is big(well by Hershey standards), and it sure as hell ain't a rocket coaster.
Shows what you know, I saw pictures and I know its a rocket coaster.;)
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I hate Mean Streak.Riiiight... Then I guess that settles it...;)
*** This post was edited by DWeaver 7/20/2003 10:55:34 PM ***
Yep, we can stop speculating now.;)
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I hate Mean Streak.
**Hangs head in shame**
nasai said:
Rob-who loves Mike, but loves even more the fact that he didn't spell peeved right! LOL! :)
Well, I think I'm allowed one mistake a year. I guess that's it for '03. ;)
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coasterphil said:
DWeaver said:
Wow, we've got land surveyers on Coasterbuzz now. ;)The coaster will fit, the coaster is big(well by Hershey standards), and it sure as hell ain't a rocket coaster.
Shows what you know, I saw pictures and I know its a rocket coaster.;)
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I hate Mean Streak.
I guess we know now since one person has "supposedly" seen pictures. Pictures of what? A big sign saying, "The new for 2004 ride is going to be an Intamin Rocket Coaster." I mean really, until there is proof on the web, im not believing anything about this.
I was at the park yesterday and saw all the markings. All I can say is that the ride may be 195ft tall (from previous posts), but there is no way that its going to have a 195ft drop. It will be traveling over several walkways, which means it will have to be at least 20 to 30ft above the ground. And for all those who dont think there is enough room for a conventional lift hill...ehhh...wrong. There is plenty of room from where the station will be to where the drop will be for a lifthill. The area is larger than you think.
Anyway you look at it, it will be a unique ride sinces its going to have to go over and around existing attractions, and use the terrain very nicely.
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sdl was the 2nd looping coaster in the country and HP took quite a chance at the time. No one knew what it was like to go upside down.
Wildcat was a new concept in woodies from a then unknown company called GCI.
Tidal Force was (i beleive) one of Intamins first splashdown rides and the tallest for many years.
Trailblazer was one of the first steel coasters.
Granted, none of these are 420 feet, 100mph, or a 90 degree drop. but Hershey doesn't (typically) put in cookie cutter rides and are willing to take chances.
-PA
sdl: Second looping coaster in the country, but the real innovation of the coaster was the loop... no one knew what it was like to go upside down, true enough... BUT... the technology was basically proven.
Wildcat: New company in GCI... BUT... basic proven wooden coaster technology... nothing new there. Even the concept of a wooden twister was not new (though few of these remained from the "golden age").
Tidal Force: Tallest (when it was built) splash down... but again... basic proven technology.
Trail Blazer: Arrow mine train... but yet once again... basic and proven technology.
None of the above were "ground breaking" first of their kind technology... no new type of launch, etc etc etc. They may have been creative spins on old ideas, or new companies, etc, but the basic way they worked was still the same.
Agreed, while Hershey does not put in cookie cutter images of other coasters (exception being Wild Mouse and SideWinder), they seem to be willing to take chances with layouts (Great Bear, Wildcat (in its time), Lightning Racer), but with all of these unique rides, the basic technology that makes them work is proven and reliable. With very few exceptions you will find very few rides down with "mechanical difficulties". You will not find a new ride down for weeks at a time, and then running very unreliable for the rest of the season because of unproven and as of yet unreliable technology. Hershey seems to be confident enough to do creative things with existing and proven technology instead of having to have the biggest and newest ride... no matter how unreliable or unremarkable it may be.
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Kind of hard to take a post as objective if a park or coaster name is part of the "user name"
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