Firehawk Coaster Credit?

Tuesday, February 6, 2007 2:46 PM
ApolloAndy's avatar There's an old philosophical paradox that addresses this very issue. It goes something like this:

Say you have an old wooden ship, call it the U.S.S. Coaster. One of the planks is rotting so you rip it out and replace it with a new board. Is the ship still the U.S.S. Coaster? Okay so a whole bunch of it rots and you rip out about half the wood and replace it with new wood. Is it still the U.S.S. Coaster? Okay, so the rest of it rots and you replace it all so the ship now has no parts in common with the original. Is it still the U.S.S. Coaster? Okay, so now you take all the rotten boards and hammer them back together into a ship. Is the new (rotten) ship U.S.S. Coaster? Are there now two U.S.S. Coasters?

Just pointing out that there's always gray area...

Also, S:TE is a coaster but first gen freefalls aren't. Overbanks are not inversions but tophats are.
And Moosh is wrong, but I'm not. *** Edited 2/6/2007 7:47:23 PM UTC by ApolloAndy***


Hobbes: "What's the point of attaching a number to everything you do?"
Calvin: "If your numbers go up, it means you're having more fun."

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Tuesday, February 6, 2007 2:48 PM
Sounds like a conversation I once got into with John Fetterman!

I know you were kidding Raven, but it does make sense. Removing the loop would make SOB a different ride because it was a major element of the ride in its original incarnation. I'm not saying I would count it twice, but I can see why someone else might be compelled to. Makes more sense than counting a coaster twice because it was repainted a different color!

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Tuesday, February 6, 2007 2:48 PM
It happens with people too. Almost all your cells get replaced every so often so after you have been married a few years you are cheating on them with them. *head spins*
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Tuesday, February 6, 2007 2:50 PM
When I said I was kidding, I did not mean I was kidding saying it would be a new credit. I meant I was kidding when I implied I would ever get on that SOB again.
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Tuesday, February 6, 2007 4:27 PM

RavenTTD said:
It happens with people too. Almost all your cells get replaced every so often so after you have been married a few years you are cheating on them with them. *head spins*

One of the biggest exceptions to this are your nervous cells though, which Im sure most people would agree is the main component of the one organ (brain) that could not be replaced and be the same person.


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Tuesday, February 6, 2007 5:40 PM
^ Speaking as somebody with a worthless Psych degree who still follows developments in neurobiology, there is growing evidence that the brain can and does replace neurons (nerve cells) throughout the lifetime of the individual. So in actuality, we're really not the same person.

As far as Mamoosh's strict definition for assigning coaster credits goes, we could even take it a step further. All inverteds hang under the track, offering essentially the same types of ride experiences. Therefore, it could be argued that one should only claim one inverted roller coaster, no matter how many of that type have been ridden. Ditto for one suspended, one flyer, one wild mouse. This gets into a kind of reductio ad absurdum, where at the final point you could claim there are ultimately just two coaster credits that can be had: steel and wood. Mamoosh's set point for determination is just as arbitrary as anybody else's system.

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Tuesday, February 6, 2007 5:42 PM
Just so I understand, we're arguing about how to count credits, right?

And we wonder why CBuzz is a favorite target for ARN&R...


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Tuesday, February 6, 2007 6:41 PM
You may not count it again. Period.
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Tuesday, February 6, 2007 7:19 PM
Mamoosh's avatar All inverteds hang under the track, offering essentially the same types of ride experiences. Therefore, it could be argued that one should only claim one inverted roller coaster, no matter how many of that type have been ridden.

Ah but I don't count experiences. I count physical coasters. Using your logic one only needs to have experienced sex with one person [of your preferred gender] to have had experienced them all.

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Tuesday, February 6, 2007 7:25 PM
ApolloAndy's avatar Yep. There're only two people to have sex with in the world. ;)

Hobbes: "What's the point of attaching a number to everything you do?"
Calvin: "If your numbers go up, it means you're having more fun."

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Tuesday, February 6, 2007 7:27 PM
Mamoosh's avatar One's self and....? ;)
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Tuesday, February 6, 2007 7:29 PM
"the other".
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Tuesday, February 6, 2007 7:45 PM
Mamoosh's avatar Gator asked: "Do you count Mr. Twister and NOT KG's Twister? There's a brake lever arm that came from the original that is "attached" to KG's version..."

If someone rode Raging Wolf Bobs for the first time when Geauga used Villian's spare third train as rolling stock after getting rid of the trailer PTCs would you tell them they couldn't count it?

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Tuesday, February 6, 2007 10:17 PM
Yes
"What we do in life, echos in eternity." Top 3 Wooden Coasters: Voyage, Thunderhead, The Raven. Top 3 Steel Coasters: Griffon, Magnum XL-200, Apollo's Chariot. 100th coaster: Voyage
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Tuesday, February 6, 2007 10:53 PM
Wow, we have coaster count Nazis here, it seems.
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Tuesday, February 6, 2007 10:59 PM
Mamoosh's avatar LOL Rob ;)

Since you said that I want to reiterate that even though I am debating the issue of counting relocated coasters it is of no matter to me how anyone counts. Count coasters, tracks, experiences, colors, whatever...so long we we're all getting pleasure from riding is all that matter.

mOOSHie

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Tuesday, February 6, 2007 11:09 PM
I know, I just find it funny that some people are talking as if there are religious stone tablets proclaiming the rules for counting coasters. I didn't know Moses was into that sort of thing...
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Wednesday, February 7, 2007 12:41 AM
Thou shall not covet thy neighbor's coaster credits?
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Wednesday, February 7, 2007 6:42 AM

Ensign Smith said:
As far as Mamoosh's strict definition for assigning coaster credits goes, we could even take it a step further. All inverteds hang under the track, offering essentially the same types of ride experiences. Therefore, it could be argued that one should only claim one inverted roller coaster, no matter how many of that type have been ridden. Ditto for one suspended, one flyer, one wild mouse. This gets into a kind of reductio ad absurdum, where at the final point you could claim there are ultimately just two coaster credits that can be had: steel and wood. Mamoosh's set point for determination is just as arbitrary as anybody else's system.

Well, let's just all agree to be tied at 2 ("wood" and "steel") except for gator who gets 3 for a "kiddie" credit ;)


"Life's What You Make It, So Let's Make It Rock!"
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Wednesday, February 7, 2007 8:15 AM
^^ As a stone tablet-worshipping coaster enthusiast, I think it would be MANDATORY to covet thy neighbor's coaster credits. That's what it's all about, right? ;)
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