Enthusiast ban list is real
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Jonathan Hawkins
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By taking away your camera, the park is protecting other guests.
In this thread it seems like a lot of people have this conception that the parks are seeking tougher enforcement because they want to throw people out of their parks. Parks are not in the business of kicking people out of their parks. 99% of the people who go to parks (enthusiast or non-enthusiast) shouldn’t have anything to worry about. The parks are solely putting their foot down to go after the repeat offenders who already should know that they have broken rules.
Explaining why these people have been banned isn’t going to do anything. I’m sure if the parks actually released the reasons, a lot of us would be slapping our heads saying "well duh." If you innocently don’t pull your lap bar down to the farthest point and miss l click guess what- you don’t think you have to worry about. On the other hand if you if hardly pull your lap bar down and then curse and scream at the attendant when he tells you to push it down further, guess what- you may have something to worry about. And really, if your concerned about the parks rules there is a really simple way to solve that problem- go to guest relations and ask.
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thepinkdoomofmonkeys said:
Question...Say you were at a park , on a certain airtime filled coaster. You get in, but only pull your bar down one click. When the ride-op gets to you, does he/she...
Good question. And that brings up something that happened to me on Boulder Dash at Lake Compounce. I sat down in the front seat, buckled my seat belt, pulled the bar down. When I pulled the bar down, I didn't realize that I hit the seat belt buckle and it came unbuckled (believe me, I pull those belts as tight as they can possibly go). When the op came by to check, she saw this and said, "You need to buckle your seat belt" (and she said this with a bit of disdain in her voice. I'm glad she pointed that out to me, because I didn't realize it had come undone and I would rather find it out in the station rather than on top of one of the hills with air. However, the way she said it... I wonder if she was simply pointing it out, or if she was pointing it out while thinking "Another jerk trying to ride with out the belt." If it was this second case, and a Zero Tolerance policy was in effect... What would happen? The Ride Op's word ("He was trying to ride with out the belt") against my word ("It was buckled but I must have hit it when I closed the bar and it came open.") Who do you believe if you are someone with the park?
Wahoo Skipper Said:
If I only put my hands up, what is going to happen? Is my hand going to fall off and hit someone in the head?
Two things could happen. One (though unlikely), you could injur yourself somehow. Two, your arms could hit another rider. Case in point: A few years ago "the family" went to Hersheypark. My sister in law and I rode Wildcat. She kept her arms up, I did not. One of the laterals, she flew to the left and her arms came down and hit me in the head. No damage (I have a very hard head), and even if it were, I wouldn't had done anything. But if you are riding with a stranger, and if you get banged in the head like this, and you are of the "litigation prone" segment of society, I can see a possible "legal incident" beginning here. Stupid? Yes. Impossible to imagine? No.
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*** This post was edited by SLFAKE 10/16/2003 10:59:15 AM ***
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SWOOSH
MidwestInfoGuide.COM
MIZZOU-RAH!
This might be an issue disguised as "we want to keep our guests safe" but it really is about the parks limiting their liability when someone breaks the rules.
In future court cases the parks are going to have to prove that they have taken every reasonable step to keep people safe. Banning known abusers from their park is a meaningful, purposeful, and measurable step. Will it prevent accidents? No all of them. But they can now say we are doing the most reasonable things we can to prevent these accidents from happening.
The question that will be asked in the future is, what is reasonable care?
*** This post was edited by wahoo skipper 10/16/2003 11:00:18 AM ***
Most signs I've seen read 'secure all loose articles.' I think there's a difference, and the types of articles that can be taken on a coaster can vary between the different types of train. I've had no problem taking a backpack on many coasters (mostly wooden), and I keep it secure by setting it on the floor and putting my leg through one of the straps. Liz has done the same many times with her purse. It's conceivable that I could do this with a camera that has a strap, but I would still ask a ride op if it's ok to use it while riding. On certain rides like inverts it's obviously not practical (or possible in some cases) to take anything on with you, even if it is strapped to you somehow (like a purse or backpack).
JWolg said:
Most signage says something to the affect of "no loose articles" which would cover cameras even ones with a wristband or neckstrap.
And I don't think wrist watches should have even been mentioned. Be reasonable.
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-Mike Buscema
'No matter how skilled the designer is, every time we push the envelope we learn new things about coaster design.' --Dana Morgan
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Hopefully, I made my point a little clearer here...:)
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I sing sometimes for the war that I fight, 'cause every tool is a weapon, if you hold it right. -Ani Difranco
How 'bout the fact that the parks may consider the visuals on the ride as a unique experience and one that people travel and pay money to see? And that by videotaping the ride, you steal that property from them and diminish its value?
Parks have the right to say 'No' just because it's THEIR multimillion dollar investment on THEIR private property and they FRIGGIN SAID SO. If they say so or have ever said so, you're in the wrong. Period.
-'Playa
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I'm still surprised at how many people try to rationalize taking on-ride photos.
"It's not on the sign" - "The ride-op saw and didn't say anything" - "I secured my camera"
All of the above examples are excuses that just skirt the rules.
Here's one for you. Go to the park offices and ask as you enter the park - "Excuse me, am I allowed to take my camera on your roller coasters and use it while I am riding and the coaster is in operation?" If you make it clear that you not only want to carry your camera, but also use it on the rides, I can guarantee you that 99.999% of the time, you'll be told it is forbidden. Plus, you'll be clear on the bottom line as you enter the park either way. Why is that so hard to do?
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Jeff said:
It's not a witch hunt.Oh, but Jeff, on some other sites certain people think it is! As a matter of fact, a certain person who makes coaster videos has it posted on his website. Oh well, I guess everyone's entitled to their own opinion. (I just happen to think Jeff's is right.)
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JW
*** This post was edited by JWolg 10/16/2003 12:53:17 PM ***
But, anyway, I think this is totally called for. If you havent' done anything bad, then WHY do you care? I mean, it's helping keep people safe, happy, and get politician's off our back.
But the main thing is this: how do they know it's you? Can't you just go with someone else and but your tickets under their name?
*edit* Guys, when they mean loose articles, they mean something that ISN'T part of usual dress, such as backpacks, purses, and other things. Watches are fine. That's why this has such a big discussion, there isn't ONE answer. It depends on the ride, carry-on, and many other variables*
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*** This post was edited by The Mole 10/16/2003 12:33:51 PM ***
This was all VOLUNTEER work.
Now, I am not going to defend Robb's use of POV's or his aguments. As an ex ride op I am very sensitive to the crews of different rides and do not want to cause trouble. I think he did cross the line with his TTD shots but this is nothing I have not told him to his face.
Now ACE banned POV shots in the Video Contests and a lot of people screamed bloody murder. Then Tamara was killed in tragic accident of her own doing. And Somehow this comes down to Robb. Why just Robb? Why do I see his name more than anyone elses?
We are all human, we all make mistakes. Why can't we just look at our ownselves instead of trying to blame ONE PERSON for 25 years of attitude?
*** This post was edited by Mike R 10/16/2003 12:32:59 PM ***
I'm all for this list. Is the reason the list hasn't been publicized due to the fact that some people would feel un"fairly" singled out?
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- "I used to be in the audio/visual club, but I was kicked out because of my views on Vietnam........and I was stealing projectors" - Homer Simpson
Likewise the 'one-click' photos may have been good for a chuckle at one time, but not right after an enthusiast falls to her death. In effect, you could say the 'disclaimers' were like arguing to 9/11 survivors that Independence Day was a great flick and they enjoyed it when it ran in theaters.
-'Playa
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Mark, it should be added that a big part of the issue is exchange of $$ too!
I can see that point, and have to admit that I have not bought nor seen his video's. So maybe I am speaking out of turn BUT what Video's I have seen of Robb's are not much different than 100's of other video's I see enthusiast make. Does anybody remember the backlash against the EC of ACE for banning POV shots in the Video Contest. Are those people to blame also? The point I am making here is it is not just ONE person but a general attitude among enthusiasts that have to change and picking on one person is not going to make that change. Like I said before, I do not agree with Robb's POV shooting. The TTD was over the top. So I IM'ed him with my concerns and my thoughts.
I am not going to defend Robb for his actions. I think some were wrong. But poking a dead horse is not going to solve anything.
I also think the banned list is a good idea. I just hope it remains "Pure" and does not become a tool to be used against people who have problems with each other.
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- "I used to be in the audio/visual club, but I was kicked out because of my views on Vietnam........and I was stealing projectors" - Homer Simpson
Mike R said:
I also think the banned list is a good idea. I just hope it remains "Pure" and does not become a tool to be used against people who have problems with each other.
Which is why the list should remain unpublished. The parks know who is on it, they are the ones that will be "enforcing" it. As someone mentioned previously, to publish the list could create a vigilante mentality amongst somepeople.
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Am I the only one around here who thinks that POV footage is a waste of film?
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