Enthusiast ban list is real
Say you were at a park , on a certain airtime filled coaster. You get in, but only pull your bar down one click. When the ride-op gets to you, does he/she...
A. Throw you off the ride , and send you straight to park security?
or
B. push your lapbar down , and let you continue with your ride.
Furthering , what would happen if you were wearing a park T-shirt?
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Dollywood: Exploding onto the coaster scene since 2004! Well , maybe.
I would have to guess the same would go with taking a camera on a ride that it is not allowed to be on.
I would have to guess that if you make an honest mistake and let it be corrected and dont repeat the offense then likely you would not be at as high of a risk of being kicked out.
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Zero G Thrills - Moved and Improved
Vortex said:
Swoosh said:
Ok I saw the whole "taking pictures thingie" on rides is an offense that will get you on the list. Is this only where they have warning signs that say it is strictly prohibitted or is this all rides? The reason I ask, is that I do take pictures on rides occassionally, but only when there is nothing that says that I can't. Also if the only place they are taking pictures is on the lift hill -- mainly just of "the view" why is that bad? I mean taking pictures during the actual ride is bad, but... I don't know it just seems a little stringent if the person taking them is using common sense, but I guess that is the whole reason this list came into play, people were not using common sense.Look on the back of your ticket or park pass in small letters it has the rules of the park. So yes they did tell you not to take pictures on rides with out a sign in line.
When will some people grow up?????
I don't ever recall it saying that on the back of my SDC Season Passes. Alot of his photos were taken at SDC and CC. I don't ever recall seeing a no camera on the ride policy on the signs of the rides. However they usally make you put away the camera on Wildfire. Otherwise I guess SDC doesn't see any threat of a camera being a missle unless it is secured by a strap. Rather this rule will stand in the future will be up to SDC to make that choice. Otherwise if you want to take pictures on the ride, make sure you have permission first otherwise just put away the camera, leave it with a non rider, or put it in a locker.
If your are still confused about the camera policy on rides. Contact the park that you like to pictures at and ask. I'm preaty sure some parks will late you take pictures on rides as long as you don't pose a threat to safety to you or the other riders.
I am wondering if CP will still have a CoasterMania next year or not. I remember this years event it felt like that so many people felt like CP owed them something when TTD was closed down due to problems with the launch system. CP was nice enough to give everyone a front of the line pass for TTD and one for the other rides in which most everyone used it for MF. And still they felt CP owned them something for TTD being down. To this day I am still upset of the behavior of these individuals at CoasterMainia.
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Chris Knight
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*** This post was edited by Sawblade5 10/15/2003 2:52:06 PM ***
thepinkdoomofmonkeys said:
Question...Say you were at a park...
If you're not doing anything wrong, then what difference does it make? It's not a witch hunt. Follow the rules and go about your business.
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Jeff - Webmaster/Admin - CoasterBuzz.com - My Blog
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Dollywood: Exploding onto the coaster scene since 2004!
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- Chris
I put the "D" in DDR.
entirely needless quote removed. why the hell would you quote the previous quote? do you think people can't figure out you're referring to the previous post? -J
I would think there would be no distinction between the general public and enthusiasts (enthusia$$es if your prefer) also as doing so would create the potential for litigation. That would not be a good thing.
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Zero G Thrills - Moved and Improved
*** This post was edited by Jeff 10/15/2003 4:42:01 PM ***
bit0mike said:
I played worse things in college bands. :)You played Warrant songs too? ;-) lol.
-Tina
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Gimme speed, height, airtime and plenty of LAUNCH!!!
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Vortex said:Look on the back of your ticket or park pass in small letters it has the rules of the park. So yes they did tell you not to take pictures on rides with out a sign in line.When will some people grow up?????
Ok, I looked at the back of my SDC/CC, WOF/OOF, and my SFStL passes - none say a single thing about the no camera policy. I looked on the back of a friend's one day use ticket to SFStL and nada, same with WOF's (but considering they just give you a receipt at the booths, it doesn't really count. I even looked on my WDW hopper pass and it doesn't have anything. My PKI pass had nothing as well ARE YOU FEELING STUPID YET?
Maybe some people should look things up before they post them as fact -- why brings up the ironic point of the post that you Vortex are the one that needs to grow up.
*Stepping off soap box*
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SWOOSH
MidwestInfoGuide.COM
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I've got major issues with how parks write their rules without any common sense. Like on Raptor where your supposed to "keep your hands, arms, and legs inside the train at all times". WTF is that?!
If this ban is going to be taken seriously, some of these parks are going to have to revise some of their rules. They could potentially have dscrimination suites on their hands if they don't.
Examples: I'm using Dragster for the example because everyone knows the "no camera's allowed" rule.
ACEr 1 rides Dragster and puts his hands up, which is against the park rules. ACEr 1 does not get kicked out or banned, or even a verbal warning for breaking rules.
ACEr 2 rides Dragster and takes a camera on the ride, which is also against the rules. ACEr 2 gets banned for life.
How is that a fair call? Both parties broke the rules! Both should face the same consequences!
You can argue that using a camera on the ride is a safety risk as it could fall and hit someone...
But what about putting your arms up? What if your arms were dislocated from the launch or what if your watch (which was attatched to your arm that is up in the air) fell off and hit someone? Aren't those safety risks that have the potential to injure someone?
Here is another:
ACEr 1 rides Dragster, takes pictures on the ride, doesn't get caught in the act, and then uploads them to a website. ACEr 1 doesn't get banned.
ACEr 2 rides Dragster, takes pictures on the ride and gets caught in the act. ACEr 2 gets banned.
How is that judgement fair? Both parties commited the same act, broke the same rules, and only one gets banned! Infact if anyone should be banned, it should be ACEr 1 for posting the pictures online and encouraging the use of cameras on rides where it's prohibited!
If this ban is to be taken seriously, then anyone that runs a website that hosts illegal onride photos or videos should be banned too.... Which if you haven't noticed, includes this site along with many others (rcdb, coastergallery, and gttp just to name afew).
Unfortunately, the society that we live in has gotten so far out of wack that most rules aren't even there for our actual safety! Instead, they are put in place to cover a companies ass.... Or better yet, for the illusion of safety! Just like airport security, and we all know how well those "security measures" worked when they were actually needed....
It's pretty pathetic that it's come to this.
EDIT: Flame away! Just for the record, I think that the ban list is a good idea, but will mostlikely be implemented the wrong way.... Just like normal! :)
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*** This post was edited by rOLLocOASt 10/16/2003 4:08:49 AM ***
1) The lack of prohibition does not equal the granting of permission. Just becuase no one tells you personally that you can't take pictures doesn't mean you can. Furthermore, if you were to poll parks, you'd find that an overwhelming majority of them have a blanket prohibition against loose articles (including cameras of any flavor) on their rides. All Cedar Fair park maps that I've seen have such language. Thus, even if I wanted to take on-ride pictures (and I don't, since I'm usually too busy enjoying the ride) I'd be sure to ask an employee first.
2) Just because you don't get caught speeding doesn't mean you aren't speeding. If you do get caught, you pay the fine, even if the guy who was passing you at the time doesn't get caught.
3) Some rules are to limit liability and don't impact safety. I hardly think the prohibition against taking photos on-ride or the prohibition against defeating safety restraints are among them. All it takes is one person dropping a camera from a high point of a ride to cause serious injury or worse. And, we've already seen what happens when people unbuckle during rides.
4) There's a reason Jeff doesn't allow people to post links to pictures obtained by breaking park rules. Remember all the people upset that their pictures of TTD construction taken from the back end of perimiter road couldn't be posted? I do.
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As for as one person getting away with breaking the rules and someone else getting busted, show me a fair way to do it. People speed all of the time. Is it unfair that the cop pulled me over but not the guy that sped by me two minutes earlier?
I hate seeing cameras on ride because I am afraid I or one of my family members might get hurt. Even if they only catch 1/3 of the people doing it at least I am 1/3 safer than I otherwise would have been.
Sorry for being somewhat repetitive with Brian but people who don't like this are just whiners if you ask me.
rOLLocOASt said:
I totally agree with Swoosh. If there are no signs at the rides, nothing on the tickets or season passes, and you have the camera out in the open in the station and the ride operators say nothing about it, your free to take all the pictures/video that you want.
And as an enthusiast who knows better, and you as a former ride operator especially, should have a better appreciation than anyone of why it's a bad idea. Way to set an example.
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Jeff - Webmaster/Admin - CoasterBuzz.com - My Blog
Blogs, photo albums - CampusFish
What time does the water show start?
I like taking picture of rides but I try to stay away from on ride pictures due to the ability of losing my camera and hitting someone. Even during ERT of SRM the only on ride pics I have were when I was in the backseat. That way if I did lose my camera, I would only lose my camera and not hit anyone in the process.
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Zero G Thrills - Moved and Improved
There's not a coaster out there that could dislodge my camera from my hand when I've taken it on board. The strap is wrapped around til it cuts into my hand and the other hand is SECURELY hanging on.
Hence : http://www.coasterbuzz.com/rollercoasterphoto.htm?i=461
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-Brian, who enjoys long walks on the beach, wooden coasters, avoiding being called a "jobber" while keeping it real in the 9Quad.
I really do not see a benefit to the list being published even though I would for nosey reasons like to see who is on it. In the end it is none of my business and the lists belong to the parks and are for their use.
JW
*** This post was edited by JWolg 10/16/2003 9:49:18 AM ***
wahoo skipper said:
The flaw in rollocoasts example of Dragster is that if try to take a picture but drop the camera, someone could get seriously injured. If I only put my hands up, what is going to happen? Is my hand going to fall off and hit someone in the head?
The problem with that argument, Wahoo, is that it means that you, as an enthusiast, think you know more about why rules are there than the park. If the park rule is hands down, then anyone with their hands up is breaking the park rules - simple as that.
I actually do agree with the overall gist of your post, but we can't keep deciding for ourselves which rules are okay to break. Seems like that's what got the community into the fix we're in right now.
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