Enthusiast ban list is real

Playa its not about that at all. I'm perfectly happy following the rules at parks. Infact, when I go to a CP this weekend, I'll be sure to be following all the rules, including but not limited to keeping my hands down inside the train.

I guess on Raptor i'll have to break a rule, but how are you "really" supposed to keep your legs inside the car at all times?
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Corey
"Afterward, services resumed for about 20 minutes until the congregation realized the church was on fire." - www.channel3000.com

Why the hell is common sense all too uncommon? A lot of the parks policies make absolutely no sense, and if a ride op does not tell somone to put the camera away, it DOES basically condone it.

BTW, I HAVE been hit by a watch on a coaster. I have also saw many cell phones that were supposedly secure come flying out.
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If I was part of a coaster, I would be an upstop pad on an Arrow Mine Train.
MAGNUM HAD MY BABY!
*** This post was edited by MagnumForce 10/16/2003 6:32:53 PM ***

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Lord Gonchar said:
Ok, so as expected you're saying the indecent exposure law applies above and beyond what's printed on a sign. Well most parks have a safety guide/rules list at the front of the park that applies above and beyond the additional rules posted at each ride.

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Oh, BTW to you who say that TV crews know what they are doing and theres no way that cameras going anywhere.

I have goldhill video that on two coasters the camera either was broken or came off its mountings and flopped around.

They liked it so much that they again showed the footage from the broken (Unmounted) camera not once but twice.

Chuck, who knows filming can be done safely but if it's not allowed, Don't push it or even ask.

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Let me make my point more clear.

What makes a camera more dangerous than a water bottle, a cellphone, or a backpack? On many rides, you are allowed to bring backpacks, waterbottles, and cellphones. All of which if dropped from a ride could do cause serious injury if it hit someone.

What makes a camera "more dangerous"? Whenever I have taken POV on coasters such as Legend & Raven, or Twister & Pheonix I'm concentrating on holding onto the camera as tight as possible so that I don't loose my 1200 dollar investment.

I do completely understand that parks don't want cameras on their rides, but if they are going to ban them simply for "safety issues", then they should be banning the rest of the crap that people take onto rides too... Like water bottles, cell phones, and backpacks.

I totally agree with the ban lists, but I think that some parks are mostlikely implementing it the wrong way.

I also think that anyone in a park (enthusiasts included) should follow ALL rules, whether or not they seem stupid or uncalled for... Which also includes putting hands up. If a park is going to ban someone for breaking one rule, then they should be banning everyone else that breaks rules too. Even if it is something "stupid" like putting your hands up, where it isn't allowed.

EDIT: Chuck I think I've got the same tape! The CI Cyclone pov is Great! The camera is just dangling off on its side and bouncing all around the front of the train. Great stuff :)
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Corey
"Afterward, services resumed for about 20 minutes until the congregation realized the church was on fire." - www.channel3000.com
*** This post was edited by rOLLocOASt 10/16/2003 6:49:00 PM ***

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I'm perfectly happy following the rules at parks.

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This coming from somebody who has been kicked out of more than one park for safety issues.

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I'm concentrating on holding onto the camera as tight as possible so that I don't loose my 1200 dollar investment.

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This even after losing your camera on Georgia Cyclone?

I'm sorry, Corey, but I honestly think your credibility on this subject is a bit tarnished.
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GregLeg said:

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Oh, I bet he used Sub-Zero.

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Hot stuff.

Gonchar.....Hmm......Perfect Mortal Combat Name. :)

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John - Yes, I was kicked out of a park lastyear for the day. One park, and yes it was dumb but quite frankly I've "grown up" since then. I still frequent the park, and ride like I always have. I just don't take POV where it isn't allowed! :)

BTW - When my camera was lost, it wasn't Georgia Cyclone. It was on the 1st Gen. Intamin drop ride at SFoG where my camera was "secured" in my cargo pocket. It fell out, and was stolen.

EDIT: I still have a very good relationship with that park. Infact, I go out drinking with fulltime whenever I'm in the area!

EDIT 2: Quite frankly, I think my credibility is perfect for this subject because
1) I have filmed illegally on rides and know all the hazards and risks of doing so.
2) I know from personal experience that a loose article that is secured in a pocket can be lost on a ride.
3) I'm a former employee of CF and SF, and have first-hand knowledge of rules and what can happen if those rules are broken.

I'm not an idiot. I've grown up alot since my rule-breaking days, and it was with my own free will, not from flaming or people trying to coaster-surf.

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Corey
"Afterward, services resumed for about 20 minutes until the congregation realized the church was on fire." - www.channel3000.com
*** This post was edited by rOLLocOASt 10/16/2003 7:03:23 PM ***
*** This post was edited by rOLLocOASt 10/16/2003 7:15:20 PM ***

If Corey can hang onto his camera on Coaster at PNE, I say he's pretty good at holding onto items. The problem isn't Corey. The problem is thumbing your nose at the parks, amongst other things. I have never seen Corey record when they said no. Granted, I am not defending the insanity of holding anything whilst riding, but I do think that if the park doesn't clearly say in their rules, or if they are wishy-washy in any way with their ops, they are inviting danger.

I was hit by a hat on the mine ride at SFMM last year, with Moosh, and it hurt. Does the park owe me an explanation or can I sue the hat wearer?

I am not trying to invite turmoil here, but there is a sad double standard here. It's like legalized abortion....it's neither good nor bad... it just sucks.

How do you like those dumb-ass comparisons? ;)
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rOLLocOASt said:
When my camera was lost, it wasn't Georgia Cyclone. It was on the 1st Gen. Intamin drop ride at SFoG where my camera was "secured" in my cargo pocket. It fell out, and was stolen.

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I think the moral of all this is that enthusiasts, like the GP, aren't perfect. I've had several friends accidentally lose possessions on coasters, not because they were in their hands, but because their pockets weren't as secure as they thought them to be, or some kind of safety device broke. Sure, a wrist strap for your camera or a metal clip for your keys may seem fail-safe, but are they really? I know that I personally don't like the idea of trusting my life or the life of others to these often flimsy devices.

On Dragster for instance, it's not enough to have your car keys clipped to a belt loop, ride ops ensure that they're also tucked inside your pocket. As enthusiasts, we like to think that we're more careful than the GP with items we carry on coasters, but the fact is that we're all only human. Accidents happen. Nobody wants to lose their car keys or camera, but sometimes things break or pockets come open. There's always an element of risk when taking anything on a ride, and that risk only increases as the rides get bigger and faster. I don't think that a wrist strap should be an excuse to carry a camera in your hand, regardless of how secure it may feel. And once people stop glorifying onride pictures and video, a lot of the illegal filming and picture taping will cease. What's the point of engaging in these activities other than to say "look what I can do without getting caught?"

Kristin - Exactly. Since SFoG, I always wear a fanny pack when I have my camera with me so when I'm not filming, i can zip it closed and have my camera safe and secure inside.

BTW - I am 100% sure that if I would've had my camera in my hands during the ride, I would not have lost it. Unfortunately, that was against the park policy so I put it in my cargo pocket and it was lost.
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Corey
"Afterward, services resumed for about 20 minutes until the congregation realized the church was on fire." - www.channel3000.com

Some people took footage on X.

I don't think they have much credibility either.

If we wanna start pointing fingers we can. But that is the last thing we need to do.

I just no some poeple posting here are VERY hypocritcal when it comes to all these issues. A certain story about Cyclops comes to mind along with some people who I know have taken many on ride photos.

I guess this just goes to show even the holier than thous may be at fault.

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If I was part of a coaster, I would be an upstop pad on an Arrow Mine Train.
MAGNUM HAD MY BABY!

*** This post was edited by MagnumForce 10/16/2003 8:13:19 PM ***

I don't think we ever said that we were better than anyone. The point of my post was the say that as enthusiasts, we often think we're less likely to drop things and that our actions have lesser consequences than those of the GP. I never said I'm a saint. Check my photo albums, there's onride pics there. Check RCDB, or CoasterBuzz, or any site. You yourself have onride pics and video I'm sure, so no finger pointing here. I never said I'm the patron saint of not taking loose articles on a ride. I'm just stating a fact: no method of restraining a camera is completely safe, so the people arguing that it's okay to take a camera on a ride just because they have a wrist strap on need to rethink some things. Parks aren't going to add "for instances" to their rules, it's a lot easier just to say no cameras on board, period.

Some people just need to be straight and not say things out of one side of their mouth while they say something else out of the other side.

You can't have it both ways.

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If I was part of a coaster, I would be an upstop pad on an Arrow Mine Train.
MAGNUM HAD MY BABY!
*** This post was edited by MagnumForce 10/16/2003 8:24:57 PM ***

That's true. But, we've all broken rules before on rides, whether accidental, intentional, innocently, maliciously, etc. Anyone who says they haven't is likely unaware they have or is lying.

But, now is time for us to shape up! :)

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- "I used to be in the audio/visual club, but I was kicked out because of my views on Vietnam........and I was stealing projectors" - Homer Simpson

All I am saying is that if people want to start calling people out, they better start with themselves.

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If I was part of a coaster, I would be an upstop pad on an Arrow Mine Train.
MAGNUM HAD MY BABY!

We've all done things we regret doing, myself included. The point is to learn from it and change before an accident occurs. Unfortunately, sometimes it takes something bad happening (someone getting hurt, losing a camera, etc.) before people realize that their behavior is wrong. A big part of it, too, is that we're falsely led to believe that it's okay since other people are doing it. Being the only person video taping on a ride gives you a feeling of apprehension that you don't get if several other people are doing the same thing. Same thing with one click rides, and loosening seatbelts. Right now everyone's just dealing with the fact that these aren't cool things to do anymore, and that's causing a bit of turmoil in the enthusiast community. Long-standing habits aren't easily changed overnight.

One problem that I see in general is that it's not only socially acceptable, but expected to break some laws. Speeding and jaywalking come to mind, not to mention some of those whack laws that are still on the books from God knows when (for instance, it's illegal to hold hands in public in MA).

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Before I start, I'll admit that yes I have taken my camera on coasters before in attempt to get videos and pics. I have also tried to 'cheat' for extra space, but after a while have realized that neither one makes that much of a difference at all.

After waiting in line, especially 30mins or more, why waste your ride trying get pictures and videos? I find that when I'm trying to get pics or videos, it severely takes from the ride experience just for the chance of getting some good shots. Plus there is the chance that you will lose your camera or even get kicked out of the park; or even worse, get added on to this ban list.

And about cheating for Airtime - what's the point? There are the occassional ride ops that do staple, yes, but most dont. I get just as much out of my ride when I just let the op's push it in as far as they want. And, who can say there is really THAT big of a difference between being 1 inch out of your seat or 3 inches out of your seat. Regardless, your butt is in the air.

I have taken alot of notice and respect to the recent warning from Jeff concerning the letter from Cedar Fair. I dont know what goes on at these Enthusiast Events, but from what I can gather many enthusiasts out there seem to think that its just a time when they can screw off. Be fortunate enough that you even get to attend events. I see no reason why to mess up the relationship between ourselves and the parks when for alot of us, coasters are our main intrest.