Enthusiast ban list is real

Yes, they have the cameras secured, and they get permission from the park. But of course not everyone knows that making sure the camera is strapped to your wrist and asking a ride op isn't the same thing.

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I liked Coasta Playa's reply better.

It is amazing that thread is this long.

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Nitro Dave said:
It never ceases to amaze me...is it just me, or is 'Playa the only one out here who has enough sense to see through all the bulls*** and actually tell everyone what the real matter is?

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Hey, give the CB folks a little more credit than that. From what I can tell, most people around here would agree with you. The ones who don't are usually the ones who end up saying something stupid on this board, get jumped on, turn tail, and never come back (especially with the likes of Playa' lurking about---then again, his brand of flame might leave the flamee wondering whether or not he or she was flamed in the first place).

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Say something stupid and never come back? Since when?

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Houston Thrills said:

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said by many people, but I'm quoting rollergator:
Anything not strictly, universally, and explicitly forbidden and enforced does *not* mean it's OK to do

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Actually, that's pretty much how the whole system works. If it doesn't say you can't do it, then you can.

That's it, next time I'm driving down the interstate at 70, I'm taking off my seatbelt and jumping out, for the thrill of it....I don't see any signs in my car saying I shouldn't. But wait, here's the kicker: If I should videotape such stupidity and post it on the internet with a caption that says "there's no written warnings to the contrary", does that mean others should imitate me, then sue Ford/GM/whoever for failing to put said warning in the vehicle? Same difference as the captions I saw on the Alvey website....
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Except that would violate many laws. You're not wearing a seatbelt, and you'd cause an accident. The law wouldn't be on your side on that one.

-Houston Thrills, sitting at work so bored he's just hitting F5 every couple of minutes

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Only at Six Flags AstroWorld!
http://www.houstonthrills.com
*** This post was edited by Houston Thrills 10/16/2003 3:36:29 PM ***

I think I am the person TomServo was talking about with the TIGHTLY drawn lap belt came undone when the lap bar went TIGHTLY down upon it. I'm glad someone gets what I was talking about the danger of this "Zero Tolerance" that is being touted.

I have no problem with some idiot being tossed out on his arse because he is attempting to do a hand stand when the train crests the lift hill... but I am a bit concerned about a "Zero Tolerance" policy for honest mistakes (my lap belt coming undone for instance) being mistaken as an attempt
to circumvent the rules by some over zealous ride op who is having a bad day.
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Houston Thrills said:

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said by many people, but I'm quoting rollergator:
Anything not strictly, universally, and explicitly forbidden and enforced does *not* mean it's OK to do

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Actually, that's pretty much how the whole system works. If it doesn't say you can't do it, then you can.

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Sadly this is how this whole thing started and yet some people *still* don't get it.

Anyone else fear the future of society in general.

Let me quote my own previous post in this thread:

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...why do so few people understand this? The signs don't say not to kill people at the park (and I've certainly wanted too). The signs don't really warn against sex on rides either (sadly, this has crossed my mind too )

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So now you're telling me it's totally acceptable to whip it out on a coaster? Cool! But then I'd be breaking the "keep all body parts inside the vehicle" rule ;)

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*** This post was edited by Lord Gonchar 10/16/2003 3:40:35 PM ***

Houston Thrills: If people don't know whether or not a television network gets permission from the park to make a POV video of a coaster, they should banned from parks anyway.

Most people who make POV videos (like Rob), know perfectly well that the Discovery Channel makes their videos with permission from the park and a camera attatched to the front of the car.

Seriously man, using the Discovery Channel to defend you're case was not a good idea. People who make POV videos aren't stupid. They know how these things work and they SHOULD know the difference between right and wrong.

Or the indecent exposure law.

Wow.....I'm really bored...someone help me!

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http://www.houstonthrills.com

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That's called "testing the line," trying to get as close to illegal as you can without getting caught.

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My five year old does this all the time. So does my three year old. There's hope for the two of them, but I'm not sure about the whining enthusiasts.
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wahoo skipper said:
You know, I have never seen a ride sign that said you were prohibited from removing your pants while riding but I bet if you tried to they would tell you you can't.

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Yes that sign is usally at the front of the park, so it doesn't have to be in front of the rides. BTW Don't even think about taking a laser pointer to the park.

Is it just me or is this thread going around in circles?

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*** This post was edited by Sawblade5 10/16/2003 3:58:41 PM ***

What? Y'all didn't want another ride? You should have said so when you came back to the station!

Yeah....that was lame....

Saw this reply when I posted this one:

It would seem that the post has been deleted....maybe I should delete that quote and reply.

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Only at Six Flags AstroWorld!
http://www.houstonthrills.com
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*** This post was edited by Houston Thrills 10/16/2003 4:03:55 PM ***

Ok, so as expected you're saying the indecent exposure law applies above and beyond what's printed on a sign. Well most parks have a safety guide/rules list at the front of the park that applies above and beyond the additional rules posted at each ride.

For example Cedar Point's reads in part:

"Most rides cannot accomodate strollers, tape players, cameras, stuffed animals, basketballs or bulky objects. Please leave them with a non-riding friend or stored in a locker...For safety reasons, taking pictures, videotaping and filming on rides are prohibited."

It's printed in the park map/brochure you get going through the gate and I'd be willing to bet a copy is also available at park relations.

I'd imagine most parks have similar policies or guidelines available to all guests that govern above and beyond the individual safety guidelines posted at the entrance of each ride.

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*** This post was edited by Lord Gonchar 10/16/2003 4:15:04 PM ***

Whether or not the letter of the law makes something explicitly illegal, at least have respect for other human beings and recognize that everyone who drops their camera/cell phone/bottle and hits someone with it (I got hit with a bottle on a coaster once) thought that they were smart/careful enough to hold onto it. You may think you're somehow different from those people, but you're not.

For the love of God (literally or figuratively) can we let morality and common sense be our guides instead of legislation, self-service, and greed?
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*** This post was edited by ApolloAndy 10/16/2003 4:30:23 PM ***

I think that's what we started this thread saying, ApolloAndy, but comments like "It's not on the sign, so it's ok" prove that not everyone gets it.

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beast7369 said:
I would gather by the statement by Paula, that since these are "repeat offenders"

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Just wanted to clarify that we're not talking about repeat offenders. That's what we mean by "zero tolerance" -- you don't get a second chance.

Thanks, Paula
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Then again, who's gonna call the gendarmes if you do what the rideop says?

Let me clear some stuff up here. I am in no way condoning the use of camera's on rides. My point was to show the problems "with the system". It is their park, their private property, and we should be following the rules! I've taken plenty of POV in my day, but I've "seen the light." I still film on rides but with the ride operators permission. Like when HW allowed it, or at Knoebel's, or Lakemont.

Brian Noble said:
"There's a reason Jeff doesn't allow people to post links to pictures obtained by breaking park rules. Remember all the people upset that their pictures of TTD construction taken from the back end of perimiter road couldn't be posted? I do."
http://www.coasterbuzz.com/2003-29-402359.htm
How many onride pictures are found here? How many of them do you really think were permitted by the park?

Wahoo Skipper said:
"The flaw in rollocoasts example of Dragster is that if try to take a picture but drop the camera, someone could get seriously injured. If I only put my hands up, what is going to happen? Is my hand going to fall off and hit someone in the head?"
If you wear a watch which many people do, and you loose it at 120mph, don't you think that is just as dangerous? You can't tell me that if a rider dropped a camera, a watch, a water-bottle, or even a cellphone that if you were hit, you'd would get hurt only by the camera.
Remember, on other rides at CP, you can bring those items onto the ride. Infact, I've been hit in the head by a cellphone during a trackwalk and it hurts like hell! Thankfully, due to safety standards I was wearing my helmet :)

Jeff said:
"And as an enthusiast who knows better, and you as a former ride operator especially, should have a better appreciation than anyone of why it's a bad idea. Way to set an example."
I do have a better appreciation for why it is a bad idea to take camera's on rides. But I also know that as a ride operator, it is your responsibility to enforce the rules.. Even if they aren't on the sign or in a brochure. They should know and enforce those rules that may or may not be on a sign. From a "GP" perspective, if you have your camera in your hand, and the ride op who checks your restraints says nothing, then to me as a former ride operator, it is legal. If it isn't, then the ride operator should be informed of the rules and/or repremanded for his/her actions.

As enthusiasts, not paid employees of the park, it is not our place to decide which rules are OK to break, and which ones aren't. As for as we should be concerned, as visitors to any park, any rule we break could be just as harmful as any another.
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*** This post was edited by rOLLocOASt 10/16/2003 6:01:00 PM ***

And now the above post in digest form:

Me, me, me I wanna.

Formal response from the CF chain and HW:

No.

The 'I wanna' crowd is the reason behind Zero Tolerance. Hold your head high as you're shown the gates...for once, everything really is all about you.

-CO

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*** This post was edited by CoastaPlaya 10/16/2003 6:31:49 PM ***