El Toro date?

^The exact opposite is true in NoLimits. So which one is right?

John, I don't consider myself a "real" engineer either, although I did get the diploma.

I keep thinking about rides like Tivoli coasters and Big Thunder Mountain Railroad where the train is so long compared to the drops, the front car doesn't pick up any speed until the last car is going down the drop. Then compare that to something like a Schwartzkopf wildcat. I wonder if it's the lag between the additional cars that messes up the theoretical physics.

I have no math to back it up, just my real world interpretations. Is Paula listening? Maybe she can ask her buddy Chadwick for us. ;) *** Edited 5/31/2006 2:02:38 PM UTC by Acoustic Viscosity***

Why would you ever take rollercoaster tycoon seriously when talking about real world physics? I think I trust No Limits more considering some coaster-worthy professionals actually use it. Like I said, try it on No Limits. I was no engineer major but my theory is in general yes, acoustic velocity, you're right. Longer trains will generally travel at a slower speed. Where this is most true is in places where there are quick directional changes in track like ET's twister section. I don't think the length of the train is going to hinder speed over the straightaway hill sections. None-the-less, I trust Intamin and their design to work with the longer train. I sound like a broken record, blah. *** Edited 5/31/2006 2:13:13 PM UTC by DorneyDante***

Longer trains don't seem to be hurting The Voyage. I trust Intamin factored out the length of train and engineered the ride correctly. Its not like the open RCT and just start throwing down turns!

My understanding was that some of the frictional forces are pretty much constant WRT to train length (aerodynamics, for instance) and so are spread out over the mass of the train whereas some are proportional to the mass of the train (friction with the track) and so are a wash with the added momentum of the train.

It's very clear to me that a fully loaded train runs faster than an empty one, right?
Same principle.

I don't dispute the fully loaded train part. That's for sure. You can tell that just by how much airtime you get, but it seems like the length of the train affects the accelleration. So you might start with a higher top speed at the bottom of the first drop, but all the accellerating up and down the subsequent hills/elements may be affected by the length of the train rsulting in a decreased average speed for the longer train.

Anyone got any hard facts? Maddie usualy chimes in on the physics debates. What say you? :)

Has anybody heard any new updates on a possible EL Toro opening? I have a family trip starting with Six Flags Great Adventure on Friday June 9 and was wondering if it may possibly be open. I'm throwing around the idea of reversing my whole trip and going to Great Adventure on Friday June 16. My wife isn't crazy about the idea of changing the whole trip but I think EL Toro might be worth it. My original plan is Great Adventure, then up to New York City hitting the Coney Island Cyclone and Rye Playland then on to Lake Compounce and then Six Flags New England. We would just do everything in the reverse order if need be.

Can you reverse the order and hold off on SFGAdv until Coaster Celebration or do two days there? :)

I thought about it but the Wife has to be home on Saturday.

Ya know, maybe I can convince her to stay for a few hours. What is the morning ERT? What time does it start? I had the flyer at home that I got through ACE but I threw it away thinking I wasn't going to go. My family and I have Six Flags passes so would it still cost anything to get in? Thanks for your help in advance. A link to the flyer would help as well.

Morning ERT on El Toro

http://www.aceonline.org/flyers/CoasterCelebration2006.pdf

O G, that sounds great!!! I'll be there!!!

NOT.

YOU can go to Great Adventure on a Saturday.

big hugs, y'all!!!

http://www.rcdb.com/ig3183.htm

updates with new photos, one of which shows el toro testing, this thing is massive!

It really is beautiful in person! Pictures do it no justice

Just cause...

I notice on the kiddies with LONG long trains, like say, GL's, that while part of the train is going downhill that part of the train is ALSO going uphill....wouldn't that help to keep a train from reaching a higher max. speed that might be attained by a shorter train that was ALL going downhill at once?

Of course, my last real physics was in...10th grade...

bill, lining up my "date with Da Bull", will be happening SOME time this year...

P.S. Wouldn't RT being "right there" help reduce the waits for Toro? ;)
That's a JOKE, BTW...just in case anyone failed to *get* it... :)

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DorneyDante said:
It really is beautiful in person! Pictures do it no justice

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I agree, the ride and the new area are spectacular. The pictures made it look kind of out of place, but it looks perfect in person.

Oh man ... do you think El Toro will still be hands-off this Thursday June 8th ? :-/

*sigh*

- J

From what i've read on another website...rumors are going around that Toro is either having problems going up the lift hill, or they're doing routine stops every time it tests to break the system in. During all of the runs, the train stops at some point on the lift hill before continuing...either at the very top, or the middle, or the bottom, and then keeps going. What do you all think? Is this something that's been done before, stopping a coaster on the lift hill at various places during tests to work out the bugs? Or do you all think something is legitimately wrong?

It's Intamin...what do YOU think? ;)

Yeah but it's Intamin WOOD...not Intamin 120+ mph launch. If it was a rocket coaster, I'd assume failures and problems, etc. But this is wood. I'm not so sure about it being an Intamin thing. Could it be because of the cable lift hill?

That's what I meant. I don't know anyone other company that uses a cable lift system such as theirs.