El Toro date?

yahoo, el toro, el toro! Im ready for the weekend!

Oh Man, Just watching that video and seeing how the train just floats over those hills sent chills through my body. Oh May, I'm can't wait till the third week of June comes. El Toro, Kingda Ka, Nitro, Batman: The Chiller, Medusa, and Superman: Ultimate Flight, what more can you ask for! :)

Thats a really long train. Is that the actual number of cars they are going to have for each train when the ride is in operation or is this just for testing? I would think a train that long would hinder its speed. Anyone know the physics behind that? None-the-less, it looks like its flying over those hills.

Yeah it's probably going to be that size train, why would they test it like that if they weren't going to run it the exact same way?

That I'm not sure of. I neither build nor design coasters....just seemed like a really long train to me

It's a typical intamin 36 passenger train just like SROS and we all know they fly.

I wasnt aware they had a "typical train" for both wood and steel coasters. Colossos @ Heide Park and Balder (the only 2 other intamin prefabs) both have 5-car trains.......the long train still hasnt been justified IMO. Is this to make the coaster more "rider per hour" friendly or does this have something to do with the actual design? My point is, seems like Intamin has changed their train design for their prefabs (or was this just great adventures personal request?) *** Edited 5/30/2006 8:15:37 PM UTC by DorneyDante*** *** Edited 5/31/2006 12:03:29 AM UTC by DorneyDante***

^Both. The longer train has more capacity and more resistance, and thus the layout has to be designed with that in mind. A shorter train will lose less energy along the course. Look at Avalanche. Now imagine a 6 or 7-car train on it. It wouldn't be as delicously vicious with all that extra baggage dragging behind. Just imagine Voyage with a short 3-car train. OMG!

And the ET trains are not quite like the SROS trains in that ET has 3-bench cars and SROS has 2-bench. [/end geek mode] *** Edited 5/30/2006 8:18:08 PM UTC by Acoustic Viscosity***

Thank you for the intelligent answer to my question ;)

I wasn't comparing them to SROS trains I was just trying to make the point that a 36 passenger train doesn't mean it will hinder ETs speed. Odviously you haven't rode SROS #1 steel on the planet. 820 rides and still counting

Actually it does, but the ride has been designed to maintain a fast pace if the animation and live video are any indication. Regardless, given the exact same layout, a shorter train will maintain a higher average speed due to less friction.

And I'm not sure if that was directed at me, but yes, I HAVE ridden SROS at SFNE and it's stepbrother at SFA.

HAHA! No he was directing that at me I think. Did you see that flame shoot by me?! He's clearly just a fanboy trying to pump his ride and start a flame war because his coaster is the best. woooo! I aint got time for that stuff....

But right on Acoustic Velocity. What you said was what I suspected but wasn't necessarily sure. I think where El Toro's speed might be affected because of a longer train will be in the twister section due to the drastic direction changes. But I trust Intamin's design none-the-less to maintain a fast pace with the longer train.

Try an experiment on No Limits for the train size affecting speed theory ;) And someone feed this troll. I'm out of treats. *** Edited 5/30/2006 11:04:46 PM UTC by DorneyDante*** *** Edited 5/31/2006 12:06:50 AM UTC by DorneyDante***

I think El Toro will be a GREAT ride. Having ridden Collossos and Balder a few years ago, this one looks like a combo of both and trust me, that is a GREAT thing. You guys up in the New Jersey/PA area are very lucky indeed. ;)

Thats awesome to hear. I knew Balder was a big hit but I haven't heard much about Colossos. *** Edited 5/31/2006 12:02:49 AM UTC by DorneyDante***

Actually Matt, longer trains run faster than shorter trains.

Well once the thing opens up (hopefully soon!) then we'll all find out for sure how fast the thing is. The train sure looks long though. And there are two of these trains rolling around? Should be fun to watch and ride!

Apollo: Yeah, that's what I was thinking too. I know it's been awhile since I studied rocket science (has it really been seven years *already*?) but I'm pretty sure the greater mass of the longer train would be less effected by the frictional forces due to its inertia (1st law of some crackpot named after fruit and cake or something ;)).

(edit) BTW: I never noticed that ET (phone home) lacks a midcourse brake run. This thing is going to keep awesome speed. I just wonder if two trains will give it the capacity it willl need at GAdv...(/edit)

lata, jeremy
--more fond of Kepler...but works more with Coulomb, Ohm, and Faraday *** Edited 5/31/2006 12:25:31 PM UTC by 2Hostyl***

Ok, I was convinced I was right until Andy chimed in. Now, I have to find proof one way or the other.

My reasoning was that a longer train has much more frictional losses than a short train. It has been a while since I studied rocket surgery myself (that's what one of my ME profs called it).

I always thought that a major reason almost every wooden coaster for example has a 24-passenger train, was that it's the optimal length in terms of capactiy and efficient frictional losses. Meaning a longer train having more friction requires more potential energy to make it through the same length of track that a short train can complete with less potential energy--meaning the longer train's track has to have a taller lift hill than the shorter train.

Someone prove it one way or the other, please. :) *** Edited 5/31/2006 1:44:30 PM UTC by Acoustic Viscosity***

I *still* don't think that the added friction from the extra cars would be enough to overcome the gains in momentum. Though, I guess it would depend on a lot of factors like the bearings, the mass of the extra cars, etc.

You know, Matt... I might not be a "real" engineer, but my diploma does say "engineering technology" so I'm not COMPLETELY talking out of my ass. Only just a little bit.

...In Roller Coaster Tycoon longer trains usually can navigate tracks that shorter ones can't. If the train doesn't get all the way through the course and valleys somewhere, usually adding a few cars can help. Or if you try it and it works, but then take off a few cars (like to have more trains) it usually valleys. I always thought that was true because more weight has more momentum and a longer train is more likely to "reach" the top of the hill and start going down the other side to help the rest over. Like I said, I don't know much of anything about this so I could be dead wrong.