Dorney in 2003

Thursday, November 7, 2002 2:43 PM

I was just wondering, does anybody have a good idea how much Dorney might be spending in 2003. (Including the possibility of a new flat ride and the waterpark updates.)

I think it is going to be a good amount of money. I think if they spend over 6 million, it means they have paid off the tremendous amount of money they spent in 2001.

This means there is a good chance of a coaster in 2004. It is also the park's 120th anniversary in 2004.

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Thursday, November 7, 2002 3:23 PM
Wahoo! thats what i say
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Thursday, November 7, 2002 4:42 PM

I hope there is a coaster in 2004, because although their selection now is world class (I LOVE thunderhawk, SF, and Talon and think that Herc's alright), they still need something that can really blow SF out of the water or hold their own in the thrills market. Most people go to Dorney cause it doesn't have the lines like SF does, but they could still use another B+M or S+S/Arrow hybrid:).

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Thursday, November 7, 2002 5:16 PM
I believe Dorney is adding 10 water sildes. To fit them in they are going to remove the go karts in WWK. I'm not sure if the park is getting anything or not.

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Thursday, November 7, 2002 6:23 PM

coasterpunk said:
"I believe Dorney is adding 10 water sildes. To fit them in they are going to remove the go karts in WWK. I'm not sure if the park is getting anything or not.

I beleive that you are correct. It was in the news section a while ago that they were building the slides and are not sure about the park. This will help the waterpark capacity since it can be h*ll on earth over there in the summer.

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Thursday, November 7, 2002 6:26 PM
Didn't they say that they would announce the rest at a later date, possibly during the CONFERENCE CALL next week. They announce a few additions during those.
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Thursday, November 7, 2002 6:30 PM
whatever happened to that "patriot" water slide rumor? i think thats what people were saying about it. any confirmations?
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Thursday, November 7, 2002 6:43 PM
"whatever happened to that "patriot" water slide rumor? i think thats what people were saying about it. any confirmations?"

It's not a rumor. One of the newspaper articles mentioned that the GM of the park, John Albino, described the red, white, and blue slide tower that will be next to Hamilton Blvd. as being named "Patriot's Plunge." This came up because the neighbors wanted the slides one color, and John mentioned that it basically won't happen as they've already named them and such.

And as far as spending goes for '03, I'd assume at this point it's probably around 5 million. As they haven't really announced anything yet, we don't fully know what else is in store, i.e. it's hard to say.

For instance, they're currently paving a portion of their overflow lot (any contractors want to mention what paving costs?) - and it recently became apparent that the park may have an option to buy 6+ acres on the other side of the overflow lot. (not anywhere near the rides, please don't anyone suggest they'll "expand" unless you mean fill more grass with cars).

That's what I know that's up.

Mike

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Thursday, November 7, 2002 6:45 PM

CycloneWacko said:

Most people go to Dorney cause it doesn't have the lines like SF does, but they could still use another B+M or S+S/Arrow hybrid.

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If most people go to dorney wouldn't that in turn mean they have longer lines than six flags.

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Thursday, November 7, 2002 6:55 PM
I think he said "most people go to Dorney for..." to specify the *reason* people go to Dorney. He wasn't claming that "most people" (as in "most people in the area") go to Dorney.

My god, how nit picky!

-Nate

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Thursday, November 7, 2002 7:00 PM

If the rumor is true about buying more land near the overflow lot, it could essentually replace the overflow lot that was added last year between Steel Force and Laser, or possibly the employee lot behind Steel Force. That could make way for a coaster for 2004. As much as I would like a B&M flyer, I think we can agree that CF and Intamin are tight right now.

I'm glad someone noticed the current paving of the grass lot. That is the kind of money that is spend and not really appreciated because it isn't a ride, but in reality it adds alot to the overall appearance of the park. Just like the most of the asphalt being replaced by concrete this year, which I think gave the park a cleaner look.

In addition to the 10 slides and re-configuration of the wave pool, it was mentioned that the park might be adding something, but nothing was definate yet. Maybe a hand-me-down from the Point? The Dorney newsletter, which I received today, said to check the park's website in the coming weeks for a 2003 announcement.

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Thursday, November 7, 2002 7:08 PM
i can totally picture an Impulse in that park somewhere.
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Thursday, November 7, 2002 7:12 PM

Not this year you can't...but hey, count your blessings already. In addition to the ten new slides, the wavepool will be modernized (redone shallower) so they won't block off the area up in front anymore.

I can't lie...I'd still trade my new Impulse for a wavepool period.

-'Playa

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Thursday, November 7, 2002 7:28 PM
"If the rumor is true about buying more land near the overflow lot, it could essentually replace the overflow lot that was added last year between Steel Force and Laser, or possibly the employee lot behind Steel Force. That could make way for a coaster for 2004. As much as I would like a B&M flyer, I think we can agree that CF and Intamin are tight right now."

It's also not really a rumor. There was an article about it - the land in question is currently set aside for a very, very long time coming Vietnam museum that has been raising money for lord knows how many years. The memorial museum might move to a small location on a local college's property, and free up that rather valuable land. If so, it's no surprise that DP would jump on it.

Also, while this land could free up the field next to SF - it's still a question of if it can be built on. There's a story about that land I've heard that goes like this:

After the lake that was on said land drained due to a broken retention wall of sorts the same winter SF was built, DP couldn't use it because of gov't wet lands conservation laws. (i.e. either replace the lake with a new lake elsewhere, fix the lake, or let it sit as ugly swamp mess). So sit it did for many years - until, surprise - after Dorney performed extensive work on the lake/damn/stream that runs through the park and in front of Hercules' drop they suddenly could use it. (Story goes it was a deal - DP paid to clean up lots of other wetlands stuff that needed to be cleaned, and in return filled in old lake and parked cars there & everyone wins). Hence - simply being granted permission to park cars there does not mean they'd be allowed to build rides, buildings, or anything. Oh, and they paid a pretty penny to build a bridge for cars to use to cross the stream to get over to this lot anyway - why not keep using it to make it worth while?

And employee parking won't be moving from it's current position anytime soon. It was made public long ago that DP will not expand the park past the SF line any closer to the homes that sit at the top of the hill that employee parking rests on.

None of this even considers the fact that even with the main lot, overflow lot, 2nd overflow lot, and the various other plots of land they plop cars in on busy days in the summer they still do not have enough parking. This results in having to 'close' the park to the public in the afternoon on busy days. And let me tell you, if they could have parked these extra cars, and gotten the extra revenue - they would have. It's just how the game is played.

As for a coaster, I doubt '04 but who knows. There isn't, however, an impulse in the park's market - we'll see how VF's turns out first I suppose.

Mike (who hadn't planned on making this so long - sorry!)

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Friday, November 8, 2002 5:53 AM

Ride It said:
"i can totally picture an Impulse in that park somewhere."


MHammer said:
"As for a coaster, I doubt '04 but who knows. There isn't, however, an impulse in the park's market - we'll see how VF's turns out first I suppose."

I have been thinking exactly the same thing. An impulse coaster would be a perfect addition to Dorney. No one on the east coast has one, and it doesn't take up a lot of space. After riding WT this past summer, I'd LOVE to have one of these up the road.

There's the standard gamut of rumors over at Screamscape about 2004 for Dorney. I'd said 2004 for a new coaster makes sense, but we'll see what they do. *fingers crossed*

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Friday, November 8, 2002 6:31 AM

CF and Intamin are tight, but Talon proved that CP and B&M still have a relationship.

With SFGAdv getting a B&M flyer this year, it would seem silly of Dorney to add one in 2004 (unless they do it CP-style and make it bigger/faster/loopier). With two CF parks having Impulses by 2003, I would put my money on one for Dorney or WOF in 2004.

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Friday, November 8, 2002 7:56 AM

Although we have gotten a little off topic from 2003 to 2004, I think it makes sense that Dorney's next coaster is in 2004.

Check out this website: http://www.coasterforce.com/construction.htm

It explains how parks go through the coaster process. I think they might be on the location and/or choosing step. The screamscape rumors (although I wouldn't believe them all) started in April. This means the park might be taking its time in choosing their next coaster. Look at Talon. We knew an inverted coaster was going to Dorney since April of 2000. Dorney takes it time in choosing quality rides and puts it out there in the open. Besides, 120 years is a pretty big deal for a park. How many parks do you know that are over 100 years old? Wait until the annual report from Cedar Fair comes out. I have strong reason to believe Dorney brought in about 1.8 million peolpe this year. I think somewhere on the coasterforce article it says that the park itself might start rumors to get people in a big hype.

*** This post was edited by bs13 on 11/8/2002. ***

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Friday, November 8, 2002 9:30 AM
bs13 wrote:
"Wait until the annual report from Cedar Fair comes out. I have strong reason to believe Dorney brought in about 1.8 million peolpe this year."

I wish! :)

While I've heard the park had yet another record year w/o a major attraction (Meteor wasn't even advertised, was for needed capacity), I'm pretty sure this past year's # will be a couple hundred thousand less than that estimate. Regardless, the park is still showing it's growing potential - and that in return will provide the expansions & rides that make us giddy.

Mike (Who'd like to thank "feel the strike" for the compliment!)

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Friday, November 8, 2002 9:35 AM
If Dorney had another record year, that means they brought in at least 1.6 million because that's what they brought in in 2001.
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Friday, November 8, 2002 10:21 AM
bs13 wrote:

"If Dorney had another record year, that means they brought in at least 1.6 million because that's what they brought in in 2001."

Don't believe everything you read :)

Until there are offical world-wide rules for rounding (are there?!) numbers, things like this will always be questionable.

And, if you got the 1.6 M from The Morning Call, then REALLY don't believe everything you read. ;)

Mike

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