Does Six Flags Neglect Parks
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2Hostyl said:
SPOILED markets:
SFGAdv: NYCmetro (21,199,865) + PhillyMetro (6,188,463)
SFMM: LAmetro (16,373,645)
SFGAm: ChicagoLand (9,157,540) + MilwaukeeMetro (1,689,572)
SFA (only because they've had four coasters in 3 years): DC/Bmore/NoVA (7,608,070)
SFWoA: ClevelandMetro (2,945,831) + Pburghmetro (2,358,695)
SFoT: Dallas/Ft. Worth (5,221,801)
SFoG: ATL (4,112,198)Now compare that to the NEGLECTED Markets
SFEG: Denvermetro (2,581,506)
SFKK: Louisville (1,025,598) + Cincy (1,979,202)
SFDL: Rochester (1,098,201) + Buffalo/Niagra (1,170,111)Now if you are going to Lump Cleveland and Pittsburgh Together for SFWoA then you must also put Toledo and Detroit in that mix. You must also then put in the mix for SFKK Indianapolis, Lexington and Evansville into that mix. That increases the population being serviced quite a bit. That still doesn't hold to why SFKK gets so neglected all around. (SFKK is the worst amusement park I have ever been to)
Gator - is what important? New coasters or ROI?
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ROI, I was responding to Jeff, but your post came in between.....I was sorta hassling the "younger" crowd.....
More coasters, bigger coasters, damn the investors, full scream ahead!
P.S....check out my last post on the Kings/Queens thread.....
*** This post was edited by rollergator on 7/23/2002. ***
I think "getting screwed" is what's important.
Sorry, couldn't resist that one.
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What real reason should SF put anything into SFEG? You make their case, because so far you've all done a pretty poor job. The money SFEG makes should go to the big boys, period. I'd do the same thing, life isn't fair, especially where business is concearned.
But what am I talking about, most of you have never even been to SFEG.
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So based on purely a populous arguement, SFKK (and the like) should not expect to see the installations of SFGAdv, SFMM, SFGAm, SFA, SFWoA. Reasonably, the expansion of SFKK should have been akin to SFoG, SFoT and SFAW. But one must also understand that SFoT and SFoG fall under different rules (courts have mandated a certain level of investment). But SFKK is right in line with SFAW in having two (and most would say three) coasters added between 1998 and the present.
And I agree that SFKK was the schittiest park I've ever been to (though Big Chief's was filthier!)
And RubberDucky, you can NOT say with any certainty that SFEG dollars have supported ANY thing at the "spoiled" parks. For all you know, the money could have been spent buying La Ronde, or transforming SFMexico, or hell even given as Holiday Bonuses to the SFEG management. Neither you nor I *know* how money flows in SF Inc. All is simple conjecture.
And furthermore, to complain that your season pass money is financing a ride at another park is an absurd claim to make. You want to know why? BECAUSE YOUR PASS GRANTS YOU ACCESS TO THAT RIDE AS WELL!
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Alright 2hostyl, both you and I know that money has been drained from SFEG for the past 4 years and only a small percent has been given back to the park. Those are some hugh holiday bonusus you are talking about. Hell, SF has tooken some of our rides too. And there is one that I believe went to SFMM(MindShaft). And I have seen used flats that cost almost as much as what I heard TFC cost.
Outkast: As I have said over and over again, I would do the same thing SF does. I am just trying to prove that SF does neglect certain parks. It's not a cry for a new coaster or something, I am just proving a point.
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WTF is "Mineshaft" ?? The last hand-me-down ride SFMM got was Flashback, and its never been called Mineshaft.
Matthew - who is still laughing at how many people here seem to know exactly how SF operates.
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I could be wrong with what I heard TFC cost. Anyways, I heard that Spin Out which is now at SFMM was Mindshaft at SFEG. I could be wrong, but that is what I heard.
Anyways, SF has owned SFEG since 1998. They have added two coasters, a Boomerang and just this year, TFC. Now look at SFMM, since 1998, they have gotten Riddlers Revenge, Ninja, Goliath, Deja Vu, Goliath Jr.(Doesn't really count), and X. X is sure to be the #1 steel coaster next year provided it doesn't go defunct, Goliath was tied for number 2 steel coaster this year, Riddler's Revenge is considered a great B&M, and Deja Vu is also considered a great coaster. Now compare the two the parks and what SF has done for each...
Once again I can not blame SF for how they manage the parks, I am not giving a desperate cry for SFEG to get a new coaster, I am just proving a point.
Lets take a look at the coaster counts at each of the CF parks.
1. Knotts Berry Farm: 6 coasters
2. ValleyFair: 6 coasters
3. Worlds of Fun: 5 coasters
4. Dorney Park: 9 coasters
5. Michigans Adventure: 6 coasters
6. Cedar Point: 15 coasters
See a pattern here? Looks pretty lopsided compared to Cedar Point. Why? Because that park makes the most money thus explaining the ROI. Six Flags is no different in their strategy to add coasters to the parks that make the best profits.
You can argue that MIA was just purchased so give CF time to expand but I can guarantee you wont see a big boost in the coaster count because their attendance figures dont support it.
No neglect is going on here by any of the big corporate parks.
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*** This post was edited by Chitown on 7/23/2002. ***
RubberDucky: the rotor that operates at SFMM - its called SpinOut - has been at the park since opening day, some 31 years ago.
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Chitown said:
See a pattern here? Looks pretty lopsided compared to Cedar Point. Why? Because that park makes the most money thus explaining the ROI. Six Flags is no different in their strategy to add coasters to the parks that make the best profits.
Right. But, isn't one way to attract visitors to a park to add new attractions? So, why WOULDN'T a company want to add new stuff. It's kind of a revolving door... SFKK doesn't have the ROI, so they pump money into the parks that do. But, if they were to add rides at the smaller parks, wouldn't their ROI go up?
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No park has all of the money it takes in stay there, at least not in the long run. The corporation has to take some of that money to make a profit and pay dividends.
Thinking of Astroworld, it has something in common with SFEG. Both parks are landlocked. I have to wonder if this has something to do with why they are neglected. Maybe SF needs to consult with the management at Indiana Beach where they stack the rides 3 deep.
Jim Fisher, that is a part of it, at least with SFEG. However, there was land available for them to buy at one point, right across the river. But we don't know if it was just SF neglecting the park or if the river was too big of an obstacle(doubt it).
Mustang said:
I believe wholeheartedly that SF does neglect their parks. For example, this last Saturday SFEG had over 12,000 people in the park at one time. It is like that almost every weekend and the park is not exactly deserted on weekdays either.
I hate to tell you, but that is a very small crowd. Bigger parks bring in a lot more than that. PKI gets around 50,000 people every Saturday. SFMM has about the same yearly attendance, so I assume the same is true with them. How can Six Flags justify spending the same amount of money on a two parks when one brings in 4 times as much money as the other? Or do you think that adding 3 coasters in one year at SFEG would automatically quadruple, or even double, its attendance? There is no way because it is the only park anywhere near Denver, and if people there want to go to an amusement park, they will go there.
Closed topic.
